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Subject: Re: The diagrams are to demonstrate it to thorsten

Author: Laurence Chen

Date: 05:00:16 12/05/00

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On December 05, 2000 at 04:29:46, Terry Ripple wrote:

>On December 05, 2000 at 00:40:00, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On December 04, 2000 at 22:10:36, Laurence Chen wrote:
>>
>>>On December 04, 2000 at 17:48:10, Uri Blass wrote:
>>>
>>>>These positions are from games of shredder5 that Chris Taylor posted.
>>>>
>>>>[D]2rqrb2/3n1ppk/b2p3p/1ppPpN2/p3P1P1/P1P2QR1/1PB2PP1/R1B3K1 b - - 0 1
>>>>
>>>>In this position Shredder5 played f6 and evaluated the position as 0.00
>>>>
>>>>It is not the only case of 0.00 evaluations of lost positions of shredder.
>>>>
>>>>[D]2r2bk1/B6p/1p4p1/3Pp1q1/Q1n1P3/8/P3N1PP/R5K1 w - - 0 1
>>>>
>>>>Here Shredder5 also played Qd7 and evaluated the position as 0.00
>>>>23.Qd7 0.00/11 Bc5+ 24.Kh1 0.00/12
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>[D]2rrn1k1/pp1b1pp1/1n1q4/3p1PPN/3P3R/1PNB4/P1Q2K2/6R1 b - - 0 1
>>>>
>>>>Here shredder5 evaluated the position as 0.06 pawn against itself and played
>>>>27...Qc6.
>>>>
>>>>The point of this post is not to attack Shredder that did very good result and
>>>>won the matches against the tigers but only to show that all programs and not
>>>>only Fritz have positions in the middle game that they are wrong when they
>>>>evaluate the positions as a draw.
>>>>
>>>>Uri
>>>Uri just because a chess engine gives an evaluation of 0.00 does not necessary
>>>mean that it is a drawn position.
>>
>>I know.
>>The point is that Thorsten attacked Fritz because Fritz showed 0.00 in middle
>>game positions that were certainly not a draw.
>>My examples were to demonstrate thorsten that this behaviour is also of programs
>>like Shredder5 and not only of Fritz and there is no justification to call fritz
>>stupid only because of the fact that there are positions that it does not
>>understand like every program.
>>
>>Uri
>--------------
>An analysis of 0.00 in the middle game just means that both sides have equal
>chances to win from that position at that very moment!
>
>Terry
I agree with you Terry.



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