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Subject: Re: CM8000 - VIsual Thinking window

Author: John Merlino

Date: 13:35:12 12/05/00

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On December 05, 2000 at 14:30:41, William Penn wrote:

>On December 05, 2000 at 13:55:23, James T. Walker wrote:
>
>>On December 05, 2000 at 13:01:27, William Penn wrote:
>>
>>>On December 05, 2000 at 10:37:10, James T. Walker wrote:
>>>
>>>>On December 04, 2000 at 23:40:17, John Merlino wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On December 04, 2000 at 23:08:18, William Penn wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On December 04, 2000 at 17:20:28, James T. Walker wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On December 04, 2000 at 13:50:50, John Merlino wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On December 04, 2000 at 02:39:32, William Penn wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>[snip]
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>What is a "PV"?
>>>>>
>>>>>PV stands for Principal Variation (I hope that's right). It is what the engine
>>>>>believes is the best line of play. (please somebody correct me if that is a
>>>>>hopelessly naive explanation).
>>>>>
>>>>>jm
>>>>
>>>>That's correct John.  And the PV is constantly changing.  So if you are looking
>>>>at the visual thinking board and the PV changes the board changes to show the
>>>>new PV.  If you extend the "thinking lines" box vertically you may see many PVs.
>>>> The latest is of course the one at the bottom and that is what the visual
>>>>thinking board will show as the current position at the end of that PV.
>>>>Jim
>>>
>>>Yes, that's also the way it worked with CM6000.  But it does not work that way
>>>with CM8000, at least not with my typical CM8000 installation running W98se.
>>>The position shown in the Visual Thinking window does not correspond to any of
>>>the lines (lists of moves) in the Thinking Lines window. It changes frequently,
>>>and it is apparently displaying various intermediate positions of the current
>>>search in progress -- at one ply greater than the last line displayed in the
>>>Thinking Lines window.  But that isn't clear, because I don't "recognize" the
>>>positions, so don't actually know what they represent.
>>>WP
>>
>>Hello William,
>>Are you sure you have the "Thinking Lines" extended to the right side far enough
>>to see the entire variation?  I'm sitting here right now looking at my other
>>computer in the starting position and here is the PV:
>>e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Nxe4 Nxe5 d5 Nd2 Nd7 Bb5 c6
>>The position shown on the visual thinking board is exactly what you get at the
>>end of the variation.  It is at depth 12 and the score is 0.21 at 13,336,141
>>positions.  This took 3:57 on my Athlon 900 Mhz.  This was with Chessmaster
>>playing the black pieces and just sitting there waiting for me to move.  As far
>>as I can see it's working perfectly.  I'm using windows 98 with a downloaded
>>update from the Microsoft site.
>>Regards,
>>Jim
>
>Hi Jim,
>Yes, my Thinking Lines window is fully expanded and shows the complete line of
>moves at the right. The Visual Thinking window obviously doesn't work right for
>me with my typical CM8000 installation, and I have no idea why. I'm familiar
>with it from CM6000, so I know how it's supposed to work. Presumably it is
>supposed to work the same in CM8000 as in CM6000.
>
>I'm running an OEM version of W98se, and Internet Explorer 5.5 (which includes
>some windows updates too) with all of the latest updates available online from
>Microsoft. If it were Windows 2000 or Windows ME, that might explain it because
>apparently they aren't supported, but supposedly CM8000 supports W98se.
>WP

What boxes do you have checked in the "Thinking Lines" window? What
personalities, if any, are in the current game?

jm



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