Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 21:50:33 12/05/00
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On December 03, 2000 at 22:39:12, Christophe Theron wrote: >On December 03, 2000 at 13:03:59, Stefan Meyer-Kahlen wrote: > >>On December 03, 2000 at 12:14:56, Christophe Theron wrote: >> >>>On December 03, 2000 at 06:22:37, Stefan Meyer-Kahlen wrote: >>> >>>>On December 02, 2000 at 21:10:25, Christophe Theron wrote: >>>> >>>>>On December 02, 2000 at 14:11:54, Stefan Meyer-Kahlen wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On December 02, 2000 at 12:20:41, Christophe Theron wrote: >>>>>> > >(snip) > >>>>>>>I don't think you can compare Chess Tiger 13.0 + Gambit Tiger 1.0 with Shredder >>>>>>>5 + Kamikaze Shredder. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Gambit Tiger 1.0 is a genuine and honest attempt to improve both the engine and >>>>>>>the playing strength, while Kamikaze Shredder is obviously a commercial attempt >>>>>>>to jump on the bandwagon. >>>>>> >>>>>>Is it? >>>>>> >>>>>>Stefan >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>I wonder whose idea it is. Is it yours, or Weiner's? >>>> >>>>It was my idea. >>>> >>>>>BTW when I was looking for a name for what is now "Gambit Tiger", the name >>>>>"Kamikaze" came to my mind. I rejected it because Gambit Tiger is NOT a >>>>>kamikaze. It can play quietly when needed. >>>> >>>>You might be surprised, but there is also a Gambit Shredder on the Shredder5 CD, >>> >>> >>> >>>I'm not surprised. I already knew you have copied the name "Gambit". >> >> >>There was a "Kasparov Gambit" a couple of years ago :-) > > > > >Kasparov Gambit is an old DOS program from 1993. It was not playing gambits BTW. > > > > > >>>>as well as a Shredder Bean Counter, a Shredder Brute Force, a Solid Shredder. >>>>All have different playing styles but have a similiar strength. You can use all >>>>simultaneously for analysis to get different view for a certain positions or use >>>>them together in the triple brain. >>>> >>>>What's your problem? >>> >>> >>> >>>I'm a little bit disappointed. >> >> >>You shouldn't be! Your Gambit is pretty good and successful. > > > > >Probably the reason why the name "Gambit" is becoming more and more popular >nowadays? ;) > > > > > >>>After winning the W(M)CCC several times, I thought you would position yourself >>>as a leader and defend your own ideas, your own flag, your own name. >> >> >>Yes, the name of my program is Shredder. >> >> >>>Jumping in the bandwagon and sticking the name "Gambit" on one of your engines, >>>after Gambit Tiger won both the French and Dutch championship is not what I was >>>expecting from a leader. >>> >>>By doing so you position yourself as a follower. >> >> >>Please don't interpret do much into this story. > > > > >It's just that I was telling to myself: "well... Stefan is in computer chess >since... how many years? Five? Six? Seven? What names has he been using for his >programs? Only one, as far as I know: Shredder. What's the probability that he >decides like that, out of the blue, to name one of his engines 'Gambit'???". > >And one thought leads to another, and you know, it's hard to find another >explanation than "after the way users have welcomed Gambit Tiger, he has decided >to be part of it and to stick the name Gambit to his program's name". > >No big deal. Maybe it's a kind of... tribute to Gambit Tiger??? ;) > Isn't this the latest fad? Can you say "deep junior", "deep fritz"? Care to guess where "deep" was first used? :) Ie what could be more confusing than "deep junior" after there is already a very famous program that went by "deep blue junior"??? Seems to me that borrowing from a "famous name" is quite acceptable, wouldn't you think? > > > > >>>I know this is common commercial practice to play on the name confusion in order >>>to fool the customer. "Gambit Tiger" and "Gambit Shredder" sound so close that >>>it is indeed possible that some people buy your product thinking they are buying >>>mine. How many of them? 1%? 2%? Is it worth selling your soul? >> >> >>Come on Christophe. Do you really think that anybody will nix up our programs? >> >>There is no advertisement for a Gambit Shredder anywhere. After you have bought >>Shredder you can load an engine called Gambit Shredder. I chose the name because >>Gambit Shredder is more willing to sacrifice material than Shredder5, so he is >>more willing to play gambits. I found that's this is the perfect name for it. >>Kamikaze will do the same but sometimes too much, that's why I choose Kamikaze >>as a name. The same story for the other engines Solid Shredder, Shredder Bean >>Counter etc. >> >>My thing is just called Shredder5, there is no Gambit anywhere. > > > > >OK, OK, you don't need to justify yourself like that. I'm not going to bring a >lawsuit against you... > >I just wanted to tell you frankly what I think about this issue. > > > > > >>>But in this case you could simply have produced an engine named "Deep Flu" or >>>something similar, and would probably attract more people. At least there are >>>several engines that are prefixed with "Deep" nowadays, so it sounds like >>>somebody else already jumped in this bandwagon. >>> >>> >>>What would you say if my colleague Ed produced an engine named "Shroeder" and >>>played on the confusion with the name of the engine that has won the last WMCCC? >> >> >>Do you believe that anybody would buy Rebel because of this? I don't. > > > >Maybe because you are not familiar with these nasty commercial practices? > >Playing on the confusion of names is a common practice, which has unfortunately >some efficiency, and that's why companies are so keen in defending their names >ot trademarks. They bring lawsuits as soon as they feel a competitor is trying >to eat the slighest percent from their market with names confusion. > >Try to register the name Coca Coia, or Nicrosoft for example. Or a chess program >called Flitz? Or try to sell products with these names without registering >them... > > > > > Christophe
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