Author: Thorsten Czub
Date: 01:10:17 12/07/00
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On December 07, 2000 at 02:19:34, Jouni Uski wrote: >What's all about and who is winning... > >Jouni is it important who is winning or who is right ? obviously the "problem" damages all 3 involved groups. Ossi gets damaged because he again is again suing people like hell, stefan gets damaged because he has a good program but gets pulled in a muddy sea, rebel-team gets damaged because they get parts on the mud on their heads too, marcus gets damages because suddenly lawyers discuss what he has written in his chessbits edition. the thing is about trusting people. IMO you cannot "solve" it in an open public forum without hitting each other. language is only a shadow of reality. in the moment you concentrate on using language instead of beeing real, you will lose. language forces you to think into dualistic categories, when their are no such categories in real life. language produces contradictions and paradoxon when in reality there is none. language is imperfect to "solve" reality. you can only try to decribe it, to come near by trying to be accurate (bob would say: language is like computerchess, be accurate and you will come close !). but : as we all know: any poem or any song in lyrics comes nearer to reality (and much more direct) than cerebral language does. because if you THINK you normally move within the limits of plein aristotelic logic. the guy is good or he is bad, or i can't say what he is. thats all. but in reality you have more stages than those 3. so why trying to be accurate, when you produce contradictions and paradoxon ? better NOT try to be accurate and speak in images and metaphorical and in poems (new paradigm :-))) to directly hit the nail and cover reality. any speech that goes into peoples mind, for long time, was made by emotions. images. dreams. so the opposite of rational-logical language. the ideal that you could talk in logical, rational way, and SOLVE anything by talking cerebral is utopia ! all you do is produce contraditions. no wonder that in a few sentences people call each other liars. if they would all sit arround a table, they would drink a beer together and forget the shit. but no - we are intellectuals. we have a brain, and we believe in rationality. and we are capable to program chess sources. line by line. command by command. therefore we are capable to sit arround a table and to make anything clear ?! to say what is the truth and to be honest and open and human like ? all in on gesture ?! its not possible. logic is only the beginning. it can never be the end. and it cannot solve such a conflict. because this conflict is not about logic. or rational things. it is about irrational things. therefore judges cannot "solve" it. all these things are modern kind of duells. in old days people took a gun or a sword, and when ossi has a problem with marcus, they both made a little duell, and in the end the "case" is over :-) today we are more civilized. we hit each other at court. ossi is very famous for fighting senseless law-suits. there are others in germany too. i don't name them here, not to get a yellow card, :-))) but i could name them and the court case easily. why germany ? because here we have (or better HAD) many big companies sharing the computerchess market. german-language-room is a very big computer-chess market. who controls germany/austria/netherlands/suisse... will survive. therefore they fight with really mean tricks. programmers have to sell their products to those business-man. and thats the moment programmers get pulled into the mud. on the other hand sometimes those business-man help programmers (if they like each other and profit from each other) and this makes it all difficult. who is right and who is wrong ? who will win is another question. the winner is not always right. all difficult. but i don't think language will solve this. only humans can solve something. if they forget to think in logical and rational and cerebral categories. cause life is IMO more than +/-/= . IMO one should respect each other as human beeings the way to put this in consideration. words are just words. humans are more important than words.
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