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Subject: Re: gandalf needs fast machines, IMO at least 1000 Ghz

Author: Bertil Eklund

Date: 14:52:45 12/08/00

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On December 07, 2000 at 19:08:18, Mogens Larsen wrote:

>On December 07, 2000 at 17:47:11, Bertil Eklund wrote:
>
>>Hi!
>>
>>Yes I agree with you but the main problem for Gandalf and Crafty is that it
>>don't like AMD K6-2 450, it's only as fast as a P2-333 (in the SSDF-list).
>
>That's an interesting observation, Bertil.
>
>Generally, I'm not too fond of the "knowledgable programs can only compete on
>fast hardware and at standard timecontrol" hypothesis. Gandalf can perform quite
>well at blitz and standard on a semifast Athlon or PIII. Christian Koch has
>documented that with his matches (except against Shredder).
>
>Even though fast hardware is getting cheaper, I don't think it's a good idea to
>make your program too dependent on hardware. The perfomance of Gandalf in your
>tests shows that it isn't.
>
>>Yes Gandalf is a really entertaining and active program!
>>Steen has done the biggest improvements of all programmers in the last years!
>>But it is now when he competes with the best it is really tough, to improve!
>
>Unless you're able to stumble onto a novel concept, it's mostly a question of
>grabbing ELO points here and there. Accumulating strength by tweaking, you might
>call it, which seems to be the case when going from "f" to "g" version.
>
>The next step would either be to try and speed Gandalf up or identifying and
>adding important chess knowledge that might still be missing, which isn't an
>easy task I imagine. Or preferably both. An expanded and tweaked book might also
>be a way to gain points.
>
>Mogens.

Hi!

Some wise words about the hardware but for now I believe most programs are about
equally strong on Thunderbirds or P3s.

I believe it's hard for Dan to make the book much better vs others because it is
already one of the best. Maybee he should forget some dubious lines like 3-g6 in
Ruy Lopez, it was a youth-love I played  when I was 16 but it is better to
forget your love in the early ages!

I believe when we goes for the next hardware-level AMD 1000 or whatever I guess
Gandalf could be very close to the top!

Bertil



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