Author: Thorsten Czub
Date: 14:06:50 12/11/00
Go up one level in this thread
On December 11, 2000 at 16:50:30, Peter Berger wrote: >I can't understand your point of view . ok. lets see if i can make it clear to you than. >You say Fritz doesn't understand a certain type of positions well . OK . right. >You probably will agree that still it remains at or near the top . right. >Isn't it clear that it understands some other positions better than the rest >then ? "understands" or outsearches ?! this is not the same. >If a program by "bean-counting" delivers a surprising mate in 12 outsearching >the opponent badly , why is this less valuable than judging some promising king >attack with +5 although not being able to see it to the end ? outsearching is not chess. it can be ANY game. if you outsearch somebody in other games, it does not mean you play the game good. it only means:you search deeper. >If you look for data supporting my point of view : just look at any tactical >testsuite and see who is at the top of the solvers . chess game is not a test suite of moves. most moves in a chess game have NO tactical key move ! most moves in a chess game are balanced moves. with no sac. test suites have a key move. or a key line. and the mistake was in the moves before the position became that unbalanced. >I think the Fritz way is only less popular because it is less similar to the >human style where a program like Tal seems more human as its strengths and >weaknesses correspond better with the ones you know from yourself. correct. the others try to program chess. fritz/frans tries something else. >So : if this is the case it is simply a matter of taste : do you like what you >get with Fritz :-) ? i think that i would not be satisfied with a program behaving that often like fritz does. i would like to see this "behaviour" in fritz fixed ! i would like to help them to fix it :-))) >Do you prefer Bach, Wagner or Dittersdorf :-) ? >Another question is : which program is best for analysis ; but again : cruel >tactics _is_ a part of the game . And if others with new paradigms will take >over I wouldn't be too surprised if the following Fritz version suddenly >displayed some most surprising new-paradigm behaviour . look: chess is about chess. the sense of the game is to mate the opponent king. if fritz gets blind when the opponent is doing so with it, it does not understand and detect moves that follow the sense of the game. i would say: fritz is not understanding chess, it emulates it, but it plays a different game. ok - its on top. amazing, isn't it ! it behaves like a chess program, it is on top of them, but it is still a washing-machine. what a genius this frans morsch is. he makes a washing machine emulate chess.
This page took 0 seconds to execute
Last modified: Thu, 15 Apr 21 08:11:13 -0700
Current Computer Chess Club Forums at Talkchess. This site by Sean Mintz.