Author: Pete R.
Date: 09:50:13 12/12/00
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On December 12, 2000 at 11:04:41, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On December 12, 2000 at 10:11:00, walter irvin wrote: > >>pc programs can easily hold their own vs gm's .super GM or the top ten are only >>5 years away from being over taken .but i dont think that is the end of it .in >>25 years the game of chess will be solved (e4 and mate in 95 ).e4 nc6 ??? oh >>mistake now mate in 67 .computers are still getting better people are not >>.people can not say im upgrade my brain to 600 ghz .i believe this time table >>would be much much sooner if there were more money in it .would be cut to 5 >>years easy . > > >First, solving chess is not going to happen in 5 years. Or 5 centuries. > >Second, you should visit ICC sometime. The GM players still give computers >fits. Even at blitz. > >The computers are not supreme in blitz, yet, much less standard. Well, how do you define "supreme"? They're not unbeatable, but I think even super GMs would agree that computers are world class at G/25 and less, and certainly better in blitz. Maybe some freak like Hawkeye can give them a hard time, but a handful of humans on the planet hardly counts for much. And the other issue is that humans have true intelligence and can exploit the fact that the opponent is a program with known weaknesses. I have always contended that if the top humans played against programs under such conditions that they believed they were playing against a human, they would lose overwhelmingly. Sit two top GMs down and feed one of them moves from the PC, and see what the score is. The fact that they know how best to play against a program is a questionable test of absolute chess strength. E.g., Alterman was able to make Fritz look stupid in the recent KasparovChess online tourney, by using strategies that would fail to trick a human. He lost to Junior though, which simply outcalculated him. The humans who played agressive chess in that event also got slaughtered by the machines. My contention is that in a "blind taste test" sort of play, PC programs are much stronger than we give them credit for, and the fact that they can be given fits occasionally is not a big deal.
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