Author: Vincent Diepeveen
Date: 15:33:06 12/12/00
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On December 12, 2000 at 17:51:51, Joshua Lee wrote:
>Ihave been looking at different DT games and have noticed that the fact DT is
>losing is so deep it takes a depth of over 16 for fritz if not more.
>Just look at it's game against Walter Browne in 1988
>[Event "?"]
>[Site "Software Toolwork Ch"]
>[Date "1988.??.??"]
>[Round "?"]
>[White "COMP Deep Thought"]
>[Black "Browne Walter"]
>[Result "0-1"]
>
>1.e4 c5 2.c3 Nf6 3.e5 Nd5 4.d4 cxd4
>5.Nf3 Nc6 6.Bc4 Nb6 7.Bb3 d5 8.exd6 Qxd6
>9.O-O e6 10.cxd4 Be7 11.Nc3 O-O 12.Re1 Nd5
>13.g3 Qd8 14.a3 Nxc3 15.bxc3 b6 16.Qd3 Bb7
>17.Bc2 g6 18.Bf4 Rc8 19.Bh6 Re8 20.Bd2 Na5
>21.Ba4 Qd5 22.Bxe8 Rxe8 23.Kg2 Nc4 24.Bc1 g5
>25.h3 h5 26.g4 e5 27.Qd1 f5 28.gxh5 g4
>29.hxg4 fxg4 30.Kg1 Qxf3 31.Qxf3 Bxf3 32.Bh6 Kh7
>33.Bd2 Rf8 34.Rxe5 Nxe5 35.Re1 Nc6 36.Re6 0-1
>
>
>If it takes fritz 14 ply to see DT is -+ 1.4 at move 24 it would take 18ply at
>move 22 and to back that up it was looking at 16ply on move 22 when it found
>that it was at a disadvantage of =/+ of .56
I don't see the correlation between the subject and the score at move 24.
>if move 13 being the first move out of book wouldn't one need 36Ply to be
>stronger than the average GM? How much Depth does one need? Quality is sometimes
>better than qantity lets say Gandalf , Hiarcs or Shredder, How much depth do
>they need to be 2500Fide? Don't get me wrong fritz is a good program but others
>are better posistionally. Thanks
What level? i think if a 2500 FIDE gets a draw in 5 3 levels against
either of the mentionned programs that the 2500 will jump high in
the sky from joy.
On the other hand at 30 0 some youth talents already give real problems.
Let's take a look at a game Erwin l'Ami versus DIEP (30 0)
erwinlami (2192) vs. diep (2497) --- 2000.12.11 13:58:54
Rated standard match, initial time: 30 minutes, increment: 0 seconds
1. d4 (0:02) Nf6 (0:00)
2. Nf3 (0:02) g6 (0:00)
3. Bg5 (0:03) Bg7 (0:00)
4. Bxf6 (0:02) Bxf6 (0:00)
5. e3 (0:01) Nc6 (1:40)
6. Nbd2 (0:04) d5 (1:01)
7. c3 (0:03) Bf5 (0:57)
8. Be2 (0:04) O-O (0:55)
9. O-O (0:03) a6 (0:53)
10. Re1 (0:14) e5 (0:51)
11. dxe5 (0:15) Nxe5 (0:34)
12. Nxe5 (0:36) Bxe5 (0:39)
13. Bg4 (0:38) Be6 (0:38)
14. Bxe6 (0:09) fxe6 (0:37)
15. Nf3 (0:26) Bg7 (0:36)
16. e4 (0:07) Qd6 (0:26)
17. Qe2 (0:13) c5 (0:34)
18. exd5 (0:09) exd5 (0:22)
19. Rad1 (0:05) Bf6 (0:24)
20. c4 (0:18) d4 (0:32)
21. Qe6+ (0:02) Qxe6 (0:31)
22. Rxe6 (0:02) Rae8 (1:14)
23. Rxe8 (0:06) Rxe8 (0:28)
24. Re1 (0:13) Kf7 (0:13)
25. Rxe8 (0:02) Kxe8 (0:27)
26. Ne1 (0:01) b5 (0:26)
27. b3 (0:13) Ke7 (0:11)
28. Nd3 (0:02) Kd6 (0:22)
29. Kf1 (0:01) Be5 (0:22)
30. f4 (0:07) Bf6 (0:16)
31. Ke2 (0:01) Bd8 (0:31)
32. Kf3 (0:04) Bc7 (0:32)
33. Ke4 (0:02) bxc4 (0:18)
34. bxc4 (0:03) Ba5 (0:18)
35. g4 (0:04) Bd8 (0:16)
36. h3 (0:33) Be7 (0:07)
37. Ne1 (0:47) Bf6 (0:20)
38. Nf3 (0:06) Kc6 (0:19)
39. g5 (0:11) Bd8 (0:19)
40. h4 (0:02) Ba5 (0:15)
41. Ne5+ (0:19) Kd6 (0:18)
42. Nd3 (0:02) Bd8 (0:17)
43. f5 (0:03) gxf5+ (0:13)
44. Kxf5 (0:02) Ke7 (0:14)
45. Nxc5 (0:05) Bb6 (0:10)
46. Nd3 (0:02) Ba5 (0:13)
47. h5 (0:03) Kf8 (0:19)
48. c5 (0:12) Bd8 (0:09)
49. g6 (0:07) hxg6+ (0:15)
50. Kxg6 (0:07) Bc7 (0:14)
51. h6 (0:02) Kg8 (0:12)
52. c6 (0:04) Kf8 (0:14)
53. h7 (0:03) Be5 (0:17)
54. Nxe5 (0:02) Ke7 (0:13)
55. h8=Q (0:02) Kd6 (0:13)
56. Qf6+ (0:03) Kc5 (0:12)
57. c7 (0:01) a5 (0:10)
58. c8=Q+ (0:02) Kb4 (0:01)
59. Qb6+ (0:02) Ka3 (0:00)
60. Qb3# (0:01)
{Black checkmated} 1-0
the compu in the opening is happy to break open center and then get a
passer. However when it's too late then it appears knight wins from bishop.
Of course at that stage all progs start suspecting something if they start
searching deep, but the important thing to realize is that the whole
openings setup of black is forever gonna lose, also in the year 2050.
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