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Subject: Re: Position from FIDE KO Shirov-Grischuk

Author: Bruce Moreland

Date: 23:18:36 12/12/00

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On December 12, 2000 at 17:23:12, Tim Mirabile wrote:

>Perhaps this position:
>
>[D]5rk1/1p1b2pp/3P4/1P1R1p2/p3pP2/8/P3QKPP/2r5 w - - 0 32
>
>...since 32.Re5 seems to be a point of no return as far as giving back the
>material goes.

Whatever version of mine that I have on my old P6/200 (1996 tournament machine)
finds this in about 8 minutes with a score of +1.6, and the PV shows the king
running up and supporting the pawn.  It failed high on it after 2 minutes, but
it lost it after it failed low on the re-search.  Next ply it got it and kept it
for over an hour.

So I think that Atarov is mistaken, if 32. ? is the problem.

bruce

>On December 12, 2000 at 16:26:21, David Eppstein wrote:
>
>>In
>>http://www.kasparovchess.com/serve/templates/folders/show.asp?p_docID=13535&p_docLang=EN
>>we have yet another claim that "no computer can find this combination".  He
>>means the final moves of the game where Shirov, ahead in material, drops back to
>>material equality and allows his opponent to queen first in order to get a
>>mating attack.
>>
>>I'm not pasting a FEN because I'm not really sure where the combo starts --
>>maybe move 30, where he deserts the back rank to set up the material exchanges?
>>
>>Shirov - Grischuk, FIDE KO 2000
>>1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 Bb5 Nf6 4 O-O Bc5 5 Nxe5 Nxe4 6 Qe2 Nxe5 7 d4 Be7 8 Qxe4 Ng6
>>9 f4 c6 10 Bd3 d5 11 Qe2 f5 12 Nd2 O-O 13 Nf3 Nh8 14 Bd2 a5 15 c4 Nf7 16 cxd5
>>cxd5 17 Rac1 Bf6 18 b4 a4 19 b5 Re8 20 Ne5 Nd6 21 Bb4 Ne4 22 Bxe4 dxe4 23 Rfd1
>>Be6 24 d5 Bd7 25 Nc6 Qc8 26 Ne7+ Bxe7 27 Rxc8 Raxc8 28 Bxe7 Rxe7 29 d6 Rf7 30
>>Rd5 Rc1+ 31 Kf2 Rf8 32 Re5 Rfc8 33 Re7 R1c2 34 Rxd7 Rxe2+ 35 Kxe2 b6 36 Rb7 Rc2+
>>37 Ke3 Rc3+ 38 Kd4 Rd3+ 39 Ke5 e3 40 Ke6 h6 41 Re7 Rd4 42 Kd7 Re4 43 Rxe4 fxe4
>>44 Ke7 1-0
>>
>>Is it true that no computer can find this?



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