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Subject: Re: Eduard - Shredder 5, Tourn. Level: mate in 17 moves!!

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 03:16:54 12/13/00

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On December 13, 2000 at 05:41:34, Günther Simon wrote:

>On December 13, 2000 at 02:17:16, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On December 13, 2000 at 01:33:25, Jouni Uski wrote:
>>
>>>Oh not again!! This trojanishe Esel (g5 sacrifice).
>>>
>>>Jouni
>>
>>I think that avoiding hxg5 is a good test position for chess programs.
>>
>>I am surprised that shredder falled into this trap in tournament time control
>>because I know that one of the things that was improved in shredder5 relatively
>>to shredder4 is tactics.
>>
>>I believe that other chess programs may do better.
>>
>>Junior6 probably can avoid hxg5 on the same hardware at tournament time
>>control(I say probably because I have not Junior6 and I only checked that
>>Junior5.9 can see 0.00 evaluation for hxg5 at depth 17 and later changes its
>>mind to dxc4)
>>
>>Uri
>
>As far as I know some progs now have implemented an Anti-Trojan function.
>One of them must be Crafty. I am just wondering why it is not implemented
>in all newer chess software?!
>
>Günther

I know that the anti trojan function is not used by crafty against copmputers.

The antitrojan function can cause problems if the program will be afraid to take
g5 when it is good to do it so I dislike it.

I prefer to see anti-trojan extensions when the computer discovers trojan
situation(positions when hxg5 hxg5 is possible at the root)

It means that if hxg5 hxg5 is possible(I assume the side who sacrifice is white
without loss of generalization) then the program will consider the typical
trojan attack moves as 0 plies in the search.

Usually taking the piece at g5 is the tactical mistake so doing the extensions
only when hxg5 hxg5 is possible at the root can solve the practical problem
without doing the program slower in most of the cases.

Uri



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