Author: Christophe Theron
Date: 12:49:01 12/17/00
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On December 17, 2000 at 13:56:00, Uri Blass wrote:
>On December 17, 2000 at 12:12:00, Christophe Theron wrote:
>
>>On December 17, 2000 at 11:09:25, Enrique Irazoqui wrote:
>>
>>>On December 17, 2000 at 04:30:27, Christophe Theron wrote:
>>>
>>>>Don't show this mainline and score (0.00) to Thorsten!!!
>>>>
>>>>:)
>>>
>>>By the way, did you take a look at this position
>>>
>>>[D] r1b1k3/1p1p1pp1/1p1P3p/pP6/P7/8/5PPP/R5K1 w
>>>
>>>and at how all programs, yours included, believe that black is doing great?
>>>Since there are 1001 cases like this, why do you think programs can put the plan
>>>before the search when they can evaluate so horribly? Asking programs to behave
>>>like people is it not like putting the cart in front of the horse, like asking a
>>>lion to fight like a snake? Sunday questions... :)
>>
>>
>>
>>Planning does not work 100% in current programs but it will come.
>>
>>To be fair you should also mention all the positions that would totally confuse
>>human players and that chess programs would play very well in the blink of an
>>eye.
>>
>>Programs and human players do not play with the same weapons. Programmers try to
>>cover the cases where programs look stupid to the human eyes. It's more a
>>question of cosmetics. You need to play at least 1000 games to see a position
>>like the one you have posted happening in a real game.
>>
>>So solving it would not improve a program significantly (from a very pragmatic
>>point of view).
>>
>>But it is true that solving it would be much more satisfying from an
>>intellectual point of view. It will certainly come...
>>
>>
>>
>> Christophe
>
>I can add that you need to know to evaluate the position correctly not only at
>the root.
>
>I can imagine a program that does a preprocessing and evaluate the position
>correctly but the preprocessing does not help it in a previous move and it is
>happy to go for this position with black.
>
>Uri
As a matter of facts, all programs currently do (would go into this position,
and preprocessing has nothing to do with it).
Christophe
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