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Subject: Re: To ?? or to !!

Author: Howard Exner

Date: 05:46:23 12/19/00

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On December 19, 2000 at 08:15:56, Enrique Irazoqui wrote:

>On December 19, 2000 at 08:00:08, Laurence Chen wrote:
>
>>The drawish score is wrong.  See (Enrique Irazoqui) Deep Fritz analysis after
>>playing 1 ... Bg7!!.  Black has a forced win.  The key move is 4. ... Ned3! ( 1.
>>... Bg7!!, 2. Ng1 Rxg3!, 3. Ne2 Rf3, 4. Ng1 Ned3!) which leads to a forced won
>>endgame for Black.
>>Regards,
>>Laurence
>
>As Dan Andersson said, 4... c5+ is even better. That's the analysis of Deep
>Fritz after 4.Ng1:
>
>New position
>r5k1/ppp3bp/3p4/3Pn3/1n1KP1p1/1P3r2/PBB4R/R2Q2N1 b - - 0 1
>
>Analysis by DEEP FRITZ   :
>
>4...Nxc2+!
>  +-  (6.47)   Depth: 1/3   00:00:00
>4...Nxc2+! 5.Qxc2 Nd3+ 6.e5
>  +-  (4.37)   Depth: 1/15   00:00:00
>4...c5+!
>  +-  (4.28)   Depth: 1/17   00:00:00
>4...c5+! 5.dxc6 Nexc6+ 6.Kc4
>  +-  (3.87)   Depth: 1/17   00:00:00
>4...Ned3+!
>  +-  (3.81)   Depth: 1/17   00:00:00
>4...Ned3+! 5.e5 Bxe5+ 6.Ke4
>  +-  (2.47)   Depth: 1/17   00:00:00  1kN
>4...Ned3+!
>  +-  (2.09)   Depth: 2/13   00:00:00  1kN
>4...Ned3+! 5.Kc4 Nxb2+ 6.Kxb4 a5+ 7.Kb5
>  =  (0.25)   Depth: 2/15   00:00:00  1kN
>4...Rg3!
>  =  (0.00)   Depth: 2/15   00:00:00  2kN
>4...Rg3
>  =  (0.00)   Depth: 3/3   00:00:00  4kN
>4...Ned3+!
>  =  (0.09)   Depth: 3/16   00:00:00  4kN
>4...Ned3+ 5.Kc4 Nxb2+ 6.Kxb4 Bc3+ 7.Ka3 Nxd1 8.Rxd1
>  =  (0.09)   Depth: 4/16   00:00:00  15kN
>4...Ned3+ 5.Kc4 Nxb2+ 6.Kxb4 a5+ 7.Kb5 Rc3 8.b4 c6+ 9.Kb6 Nxd1 10.Rxd1
>  =  (0.06)   Depth: 5/22   00:00:00  56kN
>4...Ned3+ 5.Kc4 Nxb2+ 6.Kxb4 a5+ 7.Kb5 Rc3 8.b4 c6+ 9.Kb6 Nxd1 10.Rxd1
>  =  (0.06)   Depth: 6/24   00:00:00  149kN
>4...c5+!
>  =  (0.03)   Depth: 6/25   00:00:00  189kN
>4...c5+! 5.dxc6 Ned3+ 6.Kc4 b5+ 7.Kxb5 Rb8+ 8.Ka4 Nxb2+ 9.Ka3
>  =  (-0.22)   Depth: 6/27   00:00:00  251kN
>4...c5+ 5.dxc6 Ned3+ 6.Kc4 b5+ 7.Kxb5 Rb8+ 8.Ka4 Nxb2+ 9.Ka3 Nxd1 10.Rxd1
>  =  (-0.22)   Depth: 7/30   00:00:00  569kN
>4...c5+ 5.dxc6 Ned3+ 6.Kc4 b5+ 7.Kxb5 Rb8+ 8.Ka4 Nxb2+ 9.Ka3 Nxd1 10.Rxd1
>  =  (-0.22)   Depth: 8/30   00:00:00  1670kN
>4...c5+ 5.dxc6 Ned3+ 6.Kc4 b5+ 7.Kxb5 Rb8+ 8.Ka4 Nxb2+ 9.Ka3 Nxd1 10.Rxd1
>  =  (-0.16)   Depth: 9/31   00:00:02  5163kN
>4...Ned3+!
>  =  (-0.19)   Depth: 9/31   00:00:02  5523kN
>4...Ned3+! 5.Kc4 Nxb2+ 6.Kxb4 a5+ 7.Kb5 Rc3 8.b4 Nxd1 9.Bxd1 Re3 10.Rc1
>  ³  (-0.41)   Depth: 9/31   00:00:03  6168kN
>4...Ned3+!
>  µ  (-0.72)   Depth: 10/27   00:00:04  8885kN
>4...Ned3+! 5.Kc4 Nxb2+ 6.Kxb4 Bc3+ 7.Ka3 b5 8.Qd4 Bxd4 9.Kb4 Nd3+ 10.Bxd3
>  -+  (-1.94)   Depth: 10/30   00:00:05  11202kN
>4...Ned3+!
>  -+  (-2.25)   Depth: 11/29   00:00:11  22245kN
>4...Ned3+! 5.Kc4 Nxb2+ 6.Kxb4 Bc3+ 7.Ka3 b5 8.Qd4 Bxd4 9.Rg2 Nc4+ 10.Kb4
>  -+  (-2.34)   Depth: 11/30   00:00:13  24878kN
>4...Ned3+ 5.Kc4 Nxb2+ 6.Kxb4 Bc3+ 7.Ka3 b5 8.Qd4 Bxd4 9.Nxf3 Bc3 10.b4
>  -+  (-2.38)   Depth: 12/35   00:00:30  58562kN
>4...Ned3+--
>  -+  (-2.06)   Depth: 13/35   00:01:20  154468kN
>4...Ned3+-- 5.Kc4 Nxb2+ 6.Kxb4 Bc3+ 7.Ka3 b5 8.Qd4 Bxd4 9.Nxf3 Bc3 10.b4
>  -+  (-1.69)   Depth: 13/36   00:01:26  165558kN
>4...c5+!
>  -+  (-1.72)   Depth: 13/36   00:01:40  192167kN
>4...c5+! 5.dxc6 Ned3+ 6.Kc4 b5+ 7.Kxb5 Rb8+ 8.Ka4 Nxb2+ 9.Ka3 Nxd1 10.Rxd1
>  -+  (-2.00)   Depth: 13/43   00:02:48  326807kN
>4...c5+ 5.dxc6 Ned3+ 6.Kc4 b5+ 7.Kxb5 Rb8+ 8.Ka4 Nxb2+ 9.Ka3 Nxd1 10.Rxd1
>  -+  (-2.00)   Depth: 14/44   00:06:34  772378kN
>4...Ned3+!
>  -+  (-2.03)   Depth: 14/44   00:07:42  901843kN
>4...Ned3+! 5.Kc4 Nxb2+ 6.Kxb4 Bc3+ 7.Ka3 b5 8.Qd4 Bxd4 9.Nxf3 Bc3 10.b4
>  -+  (-2.16)   Depth: 14/44   00:08:12  955024kN
>4...Ned3+ 5.Kc4 Nxb2+ 6.Kxb4 Bc3+ 7.Ka3 b5 8.Qd4 Bxd4 9.Nxf3 Bc3 10.b4
>  -+  (-1.88)   Depth: 15/43   00:12:30  1436490kN
>4...c5+!
>  -+  (-1.91)   Depth: 15/43   00:12:31  1438299kN
>4...c5+! 5.dxc6 Ned3+ 6.Kc4 b5+ 7.Kxb5 Rb8+ 8.Ka4 Nxb2+ 9.Ka3 Nxd1 10.Rxd1
>  -+  (-2.16)   Depth: 15/45   00:22:03  2546546kN
>4...c5+ 5.dxc6 Ned3+ 6.Kc4

But then Josh's idea of e5 ! first instead of Kc4
prolongs the game. I prefer your original analysis
of omitting c5+ and just going with Ne3+.

>b5+ 7.Kxb5 Rb8+ 8.Ka4 Nxb2+ 9.Ka3 Nxd1 10.Rxd1
>  -+  (-2.16)   Depth: 16/46   00:49:25  5737582kN
>
>(Irazoqui, Cadaqués 19.12.2000)



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