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Subject: Re: Shredder5 did!

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 00:07:21 12/20/00

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On December 20, 2000 at 02:51:20, Uri Blass wrote:

>On December 19, 2000 at 21:23:33, Mogens Larsen wrote:
>
>>On December 19, 2000 at 20:30:27, James T. Walker wrote:
>>
>>>>>[D]8/6KP/2r1k3/8/p7/P7/1P5P/8 b - - 0 0
>>>I find this very interesting since Shredder 5 on my Athlon 900/256M (128M hash)
>>>will not find a positive score even after 5-1/2 minutes.  But it is probing the
>>>tablebases.  Can you try this again with a clean start (right after boot up)?
>>
>>I tried it on my Athlon 800 with 64Mb hash, without and with tablebases, and got
>>this result.
>>
>>Engine: Shredder 5
>>by Stefan Meyer-Kahlen
>> 14.01	 0:00 	 0.00 	1...Rc7+ 2.Kg8 Rc8+ 3.Kg7 Rc7+ 4.Kg8 (282.933) 317.9
>> 15.01	 0:01 	 0.00 	1...Rc7+ 2.Kg8 Rc8+ 3.Kg7 Rc7+ 4.Kg8 (448.095) 324.7
>> 16.01	 0:02 	 0.00 	1...Rc7+ 2.Kg8 Rc8+ 3.Kg7 Rc7+ 4.Kg8 (738.427) 327.6
>> 17.01	 0:03 	 0.00 	1...Rc7+ 2.Kg8 Rc8+ 3.Kg7 Rc7+ 4.Kg8 (1.143.550) 332.0
>> 18.01	 0:05 	 0.00 	1...Rc7+ 2.Kg8 Rc8+ 3.Kg7 Rc7+ 4.Kg8 (1.957.113) 336.3
>> 19.01	 0:10 	 0.00 	1...Rc7+ 2.Kg8 Rc8+ 3.Kg7 Rc7+ 4.Kg8 (3.439.884) 343.8
>> 20.01	 0:15 	 0.00 	1...Rc7+ 2.Kg8 Rc8+ 3.Kg7 Rc7+ 4.Kg8 (5.427.644) 351.1
>> 21.01	 0:23 	 0.00 	1...Rc7+ 2.Kg8 Rc8+ 3.Kg7 Rc7+ 4.Kg8 (8.094.019) 348.8
>> 22.01	 0:34 	 0.00 	1...Rc7+ 2.Kg8 Rc8+ 3.Kg7 Rc7+ 4.Kg8 (11.946.652) 349.7
>> 23.01	 0:49 	 0.00 	1...Rc7+ 2.Kg8 Rc8+ 3.Kg7 Rc7+ 4.Kg8 (17.366.730) 349.5
>> 24.01	 1:41 	 0.00 	1...Rc7+ 2.Kg8 Rc8+ 3.Kg7 Rc7+ 4.Kg8 (34.542.353) 339.5
>> 25.01	 3:11 	 0.00 	1...Rc7+ 2.Kg8 Rc8+ 3.Kg7 Rc7+ 4.Kg8 (64.873.063) 338.5
>>best move: Rc6-c7 time: 3:17.099 min  n/s: 337.789  nodes: 66.572.990
>>
>> 12.01	 0:00 	 0.00 	1...Rc7+ 2.Kg8 Rc8+ 3.Kg7 Rc7+ 4.Kg8 (88.749) 118.1
>> 13.01	 0:01 	 0.00 	1...Rc7+ 2.Kg8 Rc8+ 3.Kg7 Rc7+ 4.Kg8 (160.037) 149.1
>> 14.01	 0:01 	 0.00 	1...Rc7+ 2.Kg8 Rc8+ 3.Kg7 Rc7+ 4.Kg8 (263.980) 166.2
>> 15.01	 0:02 	 0.00 	1...Rc7+ 2.Kg8 Rc8+ 3.Kg7 Rc7+ 4.Kg8 (410.024) 188.8
>> 16.01	 0:03 	 0.00 	1...Rc7+ 2.Kg8 Rc8+ 3.Kg7 Rc7+ 4.Kg8 (655.724) 206.0
>> 17.01	 0:05 	 0.00 	1...Rc7+ 2.Kg8 Rc8+ 3.Kg7 Rc7+ 4.Kg8 (1.031.793) 189.5
>> 18.01	 0:08 	 0.00 	1...Rc7+ 2.Kg8 Rc8+ 3.Kg7 Rc7+ 4.Kg8 (1.788.936) 203.1
>> 19.01	 0:12 	 0.00 	1...Rc7+ 2.Kg8 Rc8+ 3.Kg7 Rc7+ 4.Kg8 (2.848.467) 222.7
>> 20.01	 0:20 	 0.00 	1...Rc7+ 2.Kg8 Rc8+ 3.Kg7 Rc7+ 4.Kg8 (4.397.479) 215.4
>> 21.01	 0:30 	 0.00 	1...Rc7+ 2.Kg8 Rc8+ 3.Kg7 Rc7+ 4.Kg8 (6.506.814) 212.5
>> 22.01	 0:43 	 0.00 	1...Rc7+ 2.Kg8 Rc8+ 3.Kg7 Rc7+ 4.Kg8 (9.460.774) 216.8
>> 23.01	 1:02 	 0.00 	1...Rc7+ 2.Kg8 Rc8+ 3.Kg7 Rc7+ 4.Kg8 (13.709.335) 219.0
>> 24.01	 2:18 	 0.00 	1...Rc7+ 2.Kg8 Rc8+ 3.Kg7 Rc7+ 4.Kg8 (30.448.943) 220.3
>> 25.01	 4:27 	 0.00 	1...Rc7+ 2.Kg8 Rc8+ 3.Kg7 Rc7+ 4.Kg8 (55.066.299) 205.6
>>best move: Rc6-c7 time: 4:32.347 min  n/s: 203.853  nodes: 55.516.748  TB:
>>66.028
>>
>>I can't reproduce Ingo's result. As a note; TB access is displayed after
>>interrupting analysis, not after each line.
>
>I also cannot reproduce Ingo's result.
>I watched the evaluations and I had positive evaluations for black at small
>depth (0.01 advantage for black) but the 0.01 disappear and shredder5 shows 0.00
>
>Here are the evaluations of my shredder5(I copied it from my P450 and I am too
>lazy to copy the main line)
>
>I used Shredder5 on my pIII450 when the computer that is connected to the
>internet is p200MMX.
>
>17.01 0:06 0.00
>18.01 0:23 0.01
>19.01 0:34 0.01
>20.01 0:57 0.01
>21.01 1:13 0.01
>22.01 5:59 0.00
>23.01 7:39 0.00
>24.01 9:10 0.00
>25.01 11:30 0.00
>26.01 15:36 0.00
>
>Shredder is  calculating for more than 31 minutes and did not get evaluation for
>27.01
>I used 192 mbytes hash tables for shredder5.
>
>I have tablebases in my computer but I am not sure if shredder5 used them
>because I did not tell shredder about the directory that they are in the
>harddisk.
>
>When I installed Shredder5 it asked me something about installing tablebases and
>I said yes but I did not tell it the directory that I have my tablebases for
>Fritz so maybe Shredder5 can use only some tablebases that I installed when I
>installed shredder5(I did not check if there are some tablebases in the
>shredder5 CD or only in the tablebases CD's).
>
>I also copied some tablebases from the tablebases CD that I got to the harddisk
>and Fritz engines can use it.
>
>Uri

I can add that my shredder see the line Rc7+ Kg8 Rc8+ Kg7 Rh8 Kg6 Rb8 as the
beginning of the main line in depthes 18-27

The latest information from shredder is:
27.01 44:44 0.00

Uri



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