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Subject: Re: Tiger too selective ?

Author: James T. Walker

Date: 18:15:04 12/22/00

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On December 22, 2000 at 15:52:19, Ernst A. Heinz wrote:

>>On December 22, 2000 at 14:45:03, Ernst A. Heinz wrote:
>>
>>>>Did you look at what happens if you play a4?  Your kingside gets totally
>>>>shredded, starting with Qxf7+...
>>>
>>>Yes, true -- but then Black's King is not standing there!
>>>
>>>It rather seems quite safe on d8 while White's King gets
>>>into mighty trouble on d1 after the sequence a4 - Qxf7+ -
>>>Kd8 - Qxg7:
>>>
>>>[d]2rk3r/6Q1/4p3/1pqpP3/p3b1PP/1B6/PPP2R1R/2K5 b - - 0 1
>>>
>>>"DarkThought" quickly scores this as substantially positive
>>>for Black, locking onto Qe3+ as the best move almost instantly.
>>>
>>>=Ernst=
>>
>>I have no doubt that black might actually be winning here.  But that wasn't
>>the point.  You said you picked a4 at depth=10.  For that to happen, you have
>>to ignore king safety and sit in the middle of the board, with a queen at f7,
>>a rook on the open file, the king rook hanging, the king can't move to connect
>>the rooks, etc.
>>
>>IE at 10 ply it is all judgement, not "truth" as the search probably can't see
>>the final outcome.
>
>"DarkThought" gets a fail-low on 0-0 in iteration #10 with the
>score dropping from +1.1 in iteration #9 to just +0.39. Then,
>it locks onto a4 and shows the correct PV for it already in
>iteration #10 (with the white King being driven to d1 where it
>is similarly exposed as the black King on d8).
>
>So, why should that mean to ignore king safety or all the other
>evaluation stuff you are talking about above?
>
>To me, it simply looks like our search picks up the crucial
>threats earlier (maybe, by means of more appropriate extensions
>in this particular case) -- no more, no less.
>
>=Ernst=

Folks, that's what makes a chess game.  Differing opinions on how to proceed.
Jim



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