Author: Uri Blass
Date: 21:57:36 12/25/00
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On December 25, 2000 at 02:31:32, jonas cohonas wrote: >Todays chessplaying progs, are really, really strong!! >And maby Kramnnik is right when he says that progs are >inferior in tactics and positional "understanding" how- >ever it seems that even the super GM's (top 10) are see- >king ways to play for draws and blocked pawnstructures >they are ALL avoiding (maby except from Morozevich) att- >acking, these "inferior" progs because of the simple fact >that when it comes to calculation of: lines, exchanges, >combinations, mate in 69# (lol), tempo's etc........... >the prog's (top 10) are superior. And as the prog's get >more and more knowledge and implementation of selflearning >and arteficial intelligence AI. they WILL be superior to >humans in all aspects of the game, that is just a question >of time, just look at Deep junior and Deep Fritz/Fritz 6a-b's >latest score against GM's. The question is not; if progs >will beat human brains, but when they will reign supreme >it might be in 5 years, my personal feeling is 5 years, but >it might aswell be 50 years (i dont think it will be more >than that though) many people might feel that the fun and >intrique of the game will be taken out of chess, if the >progs get unbeatable, but in that lies the real challenge >for humans, to stretch there abillities and raise the level >of their own game, try to come up with new ways to beat the >progs, and thereby becoming better players, because no matter >how good the progs get, there will always be the excitement >of human v human games and matches. >Personally i enjoy watching progs v humans and vice versa, >I also enjoy a good celluloid battle in contrast to the >sillicon binary shootouts between the top dog's of AI. >By the way Deep blue lost to shredder 4 who played from a >laptop with a pentiumll 450 mhz 128 ram so in conclusion >you can have as many kn/s, if there is no sufficiant knowledge >it is only calculations. I am interested to know when did Deep Blue play against Shredder4. I know that Deep Blue and not Deep Blue Junior played only against kasparov. Deep blue would probably rank as 9-10 >on any rating list with todays PC progs(my opinion soley) Deep Blue does not play chess so I think that it's ranking is not relevant. Bobby Fisher's ranking is not relevant for the same reason. Uri
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