Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 21:28:01 12/26/00
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On December 25, 2000 at 19:17:51, Christophe Theron wrote: >On December 25, 2000 at 02:31:32, jonas cohonas wrote: > >>Todays chessplaying progs, are really, really strong!! >>And maby Kramnnik is right when he says that progs are >>inferior in tactics and positional "understanding" how- >>ever it seems that even the super GM's (top 10) are see- >>king ways to play for draws and blocked pawnstructures >>they are ALL avoiding (maby except from Morozevich) att- >>acking, these "inferior" progs because of the simple fact >>that when it comes to calculation of: lines, exchanges, >>combinations, mate in 69# (lol), tempo's etc........... >>the prog's (top 10) are superior. And as the prog's get >>more and more knowledge and implementation of selflearning >>and arteficial intelligence AI. they WILL be superior to >>humans in all aspects of the game, that is just a question >>of time, just look at Deep junior and Deep Fritz/Fritz 6a-b's >>latest score against GM's. The question is not; if progs >>will beat human brains, but when they will reign supreme >>it might be in 5 years, my personal feeling is 5 years, but >>it might aswell be 50 years (i dont think it will be more >>than that though) many people might feel that the fun and >>intrique of the game will be taken out of chess, if the >>progs get unbeatable, but in that lies the real challenge >>for humans, to stretch there abillities and raise the level >>of their own game, try to come up with new ways to beat the >>progs, and thereby becoming better players, because no matter >>how good the progs get, there will always be the excitement >>of human v human games and matches. >>Personally i enjoy watching progs v humans and vice versa, >>I also enjoy a good celluloid battle in contrast to the >>sillicon binary shootouts between the top dog's of AI. >>By the way Deep blue lost to shredder 4 who played from a >>laptop with a pentiumll 450 mhz 128 ram so in conclusion >>you can have as many kn/s, if there is no sufficiant knowledge >>it is only calculations. Deep blue would probably rank as 9-10 >>on any rating list with todays PC progs(my opinion soley) > > >Deep Blue would be #1. > >Deep Blue Junior would probably not be above the best PC programs. > > > > Christophe Murray had DB junior online during a couple of the Kasparov/Kramnik games. With 20 chess processors, it was hitting over 40M nodes per second. I wouldn't want any part of that with today's PC hardware/programs...
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