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Subject: Re: Hmmmmmm

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 21:28:01 12/26/00

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On December 25, 2000 at 19:17:51, Christophe Theron wrote:

>On December 25, 2000 at 02:31:32, jonas cohonas wrote:
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>>Todays chessplaying progs, are really, really strong!!
>>And maby Kramnnik is right when he says that progs are
>>inferior in tactics and positional "understanding" how-
>>ever it seems that even the super GM's (top 10) are see-
>>king ways to play for draws and blocked pawnstructures
>>they are ALL avoiding (maby except from Morozevich) att-
>>acking, these "inferior" progs because of the simple fact
>>that when it comes to calculation of: lines, exchanges,
>>combinations, mate in 69# (lol), tempo's etc...........
>>the prog's (top 10) are superior. And as the prog's get
>>more and more knowledge and implementation of selflearning
>>and arteficial intelligence AI. they WILL be superior to
>>humans in all aspects of the game, that is just a question
>>of time, just look at Deep junior and Deep Fritz/Fritz 6a-b's
>>latest score against GM's. The question is not; if progs
>>will beat human brains, but when they will reign supreme
>>it might be in 5 years, my personal feeling is 5 years, but
>>it might aswell be 50 years (i dont think it will be more
>>than that though) many people might feel that the fun and
>>intrique of the game will be taken out of chess, if the
>>progs get unbeatable, but in that lies the real challenge
>>for humans, to stretch there abillities and raise the level
>>of their own game, try to come up with new ways to beat the
>>progs, and thereby becoming better players, because no matter
>>how good the progs get, there will always be the excitement
>>of human v human games and matches.
>>Personally i enjoy watching progs v humans and vice versa,
>>I also enjoy a good celluloid battle in contrast to the
>>sillicon binary shootouts between the top dog's of AI.
>>By the way Deep blue lost to shredder 4 who played from a
>>laptop with a pentiumll 450 mhz 128 ram so in conclusion
>>you can have as many kn/s, if there is no sufficiant knowledge
>>it is only calculations. Deep blue would probably rank as 9-10
>>on any rating list with todays PC progs(my opinion soley)
>
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>Deep Blue would be #1.
>
>Deep Blue Junior would probably not be above the best PC programs.
>
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>    Christophe


Murray had DB junior online during a couple of the Kasparov/Kramnik games.
With 20 chess processors, it was hitting over 40M nodes per second.  I wouldn't
want any part of that with today's PC hardware/programs...



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