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Subject: Re: Hmmmmmm

Author: Ed Schröder

Date: 01:58:02 12/27/00

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On December 27, 2000 at 00:28:01, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On December 25, 2000 at 19:17:51, Christophe Theron wrote:
>
>>On December 25, 2000 at 02:31:32, jonas cohonas wrote:
>>
>>>Todays chessplaying progs, are really, really strong!!
>>>And maby Kramnnik is right when he says that progs are
>>>inferior in tactics and positional "understanding" how-
>>>ever it seems that even the super GM's (top 10) are see-
>>>king ways to play for draws and blocked pawnstructures
>>>they are ALL avoiding (maby except from Morozevich) att-
>>>acking, these "inferior" progs because of the simple fact
>>>that when it comes to calculation of: lines, exchanges,
>>>combinations, mate in 69# (lol), tempo's etc...........
>>>the prog's (top 10) are superior. And as the prog's get
>>>more and more knowledge and implementation of selflearning
>>>and arteficial intelligence AI. they WILL be superior to
>>>humans in all aspects of the game, that is just a question
>>>of time, just look at Deep junior and Deep Fritz/Fritz 6a-b's
>>>latest score against GM's. The question is not; if progs
>>>will beat human brains, but when they will reign supreme
>>>it might be in 5 years, my personal feeling is 5 years, but
>>>it might aswell be 50 years (i dont think it will be more
>>>than that though) many people might feel that the fun and
>>>intrique of the game will be taken out of chess, if the
>>>progs get unbeatable, but in that lies the real challenge
>>>for humans, to stretch there abillities and raise the level
>>>of their own game, try to come up with new ways to beat the
>>>progs, and thereby becoming better players, because no matter
>>>how good the progs get, there will always be the excitement
>>>of human v human games and matches.
>>>Personally i enjoy watching progs v humans and vice versa,
>>>I also enjoy a good celluloid battle in contrast to the
>>>sillicon binary shootouts between the top dog's of AI.
>>>By the way Deep blue lost to shredder 4 who played from a
>>>laptop with a pentiumll 450 mhz 128 ram so in conclusion
>>>you can have as many kn/s, if there is no sufficiant knowledge
>>>it is only calculations. Deep blue would probably rank as 9-10
>>>on any rating list with todays PC progs(my opinion soley)
>>
>>
>>Deep Blue would be #1.
>>
>>Deep Blue Junior would probably not be above the best PC programs.
>>
>>
>>
>>    Christophe
>
>
>Murray had DB junior online during a couple of the Kasparov/Kramnik games.
>With 20 chess processors, it was hitting over 40M nodes per second.  I wouldn't
>want any part of that with today's PC hardware/programs...

It would be nice to see the thing participate only once. The thing seem
to be alive so what is keeping them?

Ed



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