Author: Ed Schröder
Date: 01:58:02 12/27/00
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On December 27, 2000 at 00:28:01, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On December 25, 2000 at 19:17:51, Christophe Theron wrote: > >>On December 25, 2000 at 02:31:32, jonas cohonas wrote: >> >>>Todays chessplaying progs, are really, really strong!! >>>And maby Kramnnik is right when he says that progs are >>>inferior in tactics and positional "understanding" how- >>>ever it seems that even the super GM's (top 10) are see- >>>king ways to play for draws and blocked pawnstructures >>>they are ALL avoiding (maby except from Morozevich) att- >>>acking, these "inferior" progs because of the simple fact >>>that when it comes to calculation of: lines, exchanges, >>>combinations, mate in 69# (lol), tempo's etc........... >>>the prog's (top 10) are superior. And as the prog's get >>>more and more knowledge and implementation of selflearning >>>and arteficial intelligence AI. they WILL be superior to >>>humans in all aspects of the game, that is just a question >>>of time, just look at Deep junior and Deep Fritz/Fritz 6a-b's >>>latest score against GM's. The question is not; if progs >>>will beat human brains, but when they will reign supreme >>>it might be in 5 years, my personal feeling is 5 years, but >>>it might aswell be 50 years (i dont think it will be more >>>than that though) many people might feel that the fun and >>>intrique of the game will be taken out of chess, if the >>>progs get unbeatable, but in that lies the real challenge >>>for humans, to stretch there abillities and raise the level >>>of their own game, try to come up with new ways to beat the >>>progs, and thereby becoming better players, because no matter >>>how good the progs get, there will always be the excitement >>>of human v human games and matches. >>>Personally i enjoy watching progs v humans and vice versa, >>>I also enjoy a good celluloid battle in contrast to the >>>sillicon binary shootouts between the top dog's of AI. >>>By the way Deep blue lost to shredder 4 who played from a >>>laptop with a pentiumll 450 mhz 128 ram so in conclusion >>>you can have as many kn/s, if there is no sufficiant knowledge >>>it is only calculations. Deep blue would probably rank as 9-10 >>>on any rating list with todays PC progs(my opinion soley) >> >> >>Deep Blue would be #1. >> >>Deep Blue Junior would probably not be above the best PC programs. >> >> >> >> Christophe > > >Murray had DB junior online during a couple of the Kasparov/Kramnik games. >With 20 chess processors, it was hitting over 40M nodes per second. I wouldn't >want any part of that with today's PC hardware/programs... It would be nice to see the thing participate only once. The thing seem to be alive so what is keeping them? Ed
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