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Subject: Re: A good start for all new 5 engines in my CCE tourney ...

Author: Frank Quisinsky

Date: 08:28:54 12/27/00

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On December 27, 2000 at 11:11:37, Leo Dijksman wrote:

>On December 27, 2000 at 10:34:07, Frank Quisinsky wrote:
>
>>On December 27, 2000 at 09:35:52, Leo Dijksman wrote:
>>
>>>On December 26, 2000 at 18:06:02, Frank Quisinsky wrote:
>>>
>>>>On December 26, 2000 at 16:53:12, Jorge Pichard wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On December 26, 2000 at 12:09:33, Frank Quisinsky wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>new in my CCE tourney are ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>01. CB The Crazy Bishop 0046 (super results in the first 2 rounds).
>>>>>>02. CB Nimzo 8.0 (little problems in the first 2 rounds).
>>>>>>    4.0 : 4.0 against Crafty 17.14
>>>>>>    5.0 : 3.0 against Comet B.27
>>>>>>03. CB Deep Fritz T29c
>>>>>>    At the moment against Fritz 6a (standing so far 1:0 for Fritz 6a, next
>>>>>>    games over night) !
>>>>>>04. WB LambChop 10.5
>>>>>>    4.0 : 4.0 against the very strong Amy 0.7 !
>>>>>>05. WB Insomniac 0.69a
>>>>>>    6.5 : 1.5 against AnMon 5.09 !
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I think Insomniac is the strongest amateur program but we will see. I believe
>>>>>>Insomniac plays around ~ 2525 ELO and is stronger than Goliath, SOS and Crafty.
>>>>>>I think Nimzo Level !
>>>>>>
>>>>>>More information under:
>>>>>>http://amateurschach.in-trier.de/schach/cbase/cce_main.htm
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Best
>>>>>>Frank
>>>>>
>>>>>Why don't you have another Tournament Section C where Gandalf 4.32 G play
>>>>>against all others programs, I notice that you did not include Gandalf 4.32 Vs
>>>>>Deep Fritz or Nimzo 8.
>>>>>
>>>>>Pichard.
>>>>
>>>>I play with Chess-Base native engines in tourney "A" and with WinBoard Engines
>>>>in tourney "B". I will not make changes in the organisation. Furthermore, it is
>>>>to many work to play with WB engines in tourney "A" ! I mean my tournament
>>>>running around one year and this is enough !
>>>>
>>>>Best
>>>>Frank
>>>
>>>Do this mean that you on top of the page shows the ratings of Frits, Gandalf and
>>>Junior while Gandalf has never played against the other top programs??
>>>
>>>Best wishes, Leo.
>>
>>I mean that why I know a lot of results against other top programs. You can
>>search more information in the CCE beta test forum or in my News Ticker.
>>
>>CCE Beta Test forum:
>>http://f22.parsimony.net/forum41668/
>>
>>News Ticker:
>>http://amateurschach.in-trier.de/news.htm
>>
>>(here a lot of informations in older News Ticker pages).
>>
>>News Ticker Overview under:
>>http://amateurschach.in-trier.de/news_top.htm
>>
>>Best
>>Frank
>
>Hi Frank,
>   i mean that the rating that appears on top of the page are from 2 different
>tournaments (CCE-A and CCE-B), so it looks like Gandalf is the nr.2 but actually
>it has not played any game against the other top programs that counts for that
>ratinglist, or do i see it totally wrong?
>I do not mean that Gandalf is not strong or so (i have Gandalf myself and it is
>strong!), only i think its not fair to mix up 2 different ratinglists thisway
>(but thats my opinion offcourse).
>Sorry for my bad english, Leo.

Hi,

oh I understand you !
Yes a little problem. But in tourney A and B plays 5 same progams in WB version
and CB version. I think end of the tourney is the rating list to 90% perfect.
When I understand the calculations system right is the good enough when each
program plays against each programs. Good enough when I have 5 same programs in
tourney a and b.

When I added games between Gandalf against Junior, Hiarcs and Fritz in my rating
list (I make the experiment last week) I have the same ELOs. So I think the list
is now good but at the moment I have not enough games for all programs which
started in my tourney.

Best
Frank



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