Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 19:38:23 12/27/00
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On December 27, 2000 at 04:58:02, Ed Schröder wrote: >On December 27, 2000 at 00:28:01, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On December 25, 2000 at 19:17:51, Christophe Theron wrote: >> >>>On December 25, 2000 at 02:31:32, jonas cohonas wrote: >>> >>>>Todays chessplaying progs, are really, really strong!! >>>>And maby Kramnnik is right when he says that progs are >>>>inferior in tactics and positional "understanding" how- >>>>ever it seems that even the super GM's (top 10) are see- >>>>king ways to play for draws and blocked pawnstructures >>>>they are ALL avoiding (maby except from Morozevich) att- >>>>acking, these "inferior" progs because of the simple fact >>>>that when it comes to calculation of: lines, exchanges, >>>>combinations, mate in 69# (lol), tempo's etc........... >>>>the prog's (top 10) are superior. And as the prog's get >>>>more and more knowledge and implementation of selflearning >>>>and arteficial intelligence AI. they WILL be superior to >>>>humans in all aspects of the game, that is just a question >>>>of time, just look at Deep junior and Deep Fritz/Fritz 6a-b's >>>>latest score against GM's. The question is not; if progs >>>>will beat human brains, but when they will reign supreme >>>>it might be in 5 years, my personal feeling is 5 years, but >>>>it might aswell be 50 years (i dont think it will be more >>>>than that though) many people might feel that the fun and >>>>intrique of the game will be taken out of chess, if the >>>>progs get unbeatable, but in that lies the real challenge >>>>for humans, to stretch there abillities and raise the level >>>>of their own game, try to come up with new ways to beat the >>>>progs, and thereby becoming better players, because no matter >>>>how good the progs get, there will always be the excitement >>>>of human v human games and matches. >>>>Personally i enjoy watching progs v humans and vice versa, >>>>I also enjoy a good celluloid battle in contrast to the >>>>sillicon binary shootouts between the top dog's of AI. >>>>By the way Deep blue lost to shredder 4 who played from a >>>>laptop with a pentiumll 450 mhz 128 ram so in conclusion >>>>you can have as many kn/s, if there is no sufficiant knowledge >>>>it is only calculations. Deep blue would probably rank as 9-10 >>>>on any rating list with todays PC progs(my opinion soley) >>> >>> >>>Deep Blue would be #1. >>> >>>Deep Blue Junior would probably not be above the best PC programs. >>> >>> >>> >>> Christophe >> >> >>Murray had DB junior online during a couple of the Kasparov/Kramnik games. >>With 20 chess processors, it was hitting over 40M nodes per second. I wouldn't >>want any part of that with today's PC hardware/programs... > >It would be nice to see the thing participate only once. The thing seem >to be alive so what is keeping them? > >Ed IBM is the problem. They have everything to lose, nothing to gain, unfortunately. They are basking in the afterglow of DB2 vs Kasparov. They aren't going to do _anything_ to dampen that...
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