Author: Christophe Theron
Date: 07:42:33 12/29/00
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On December 29, 2000 at 03:48:50, Ed Schröder wrote:
>On December 28, 2000 at 20:56:11, Christophe Theron wrote:
>
>>On December 28, 2000 at 18:30:18, Thorsten Czub wrote:
>>
>>>On December 28, 2000 at 18:03:32, Enrique Irazoqui wrote:
>>>>I suggest you check with both Christophe and the SSDF before posting more of
>>>>your usual anti-SSDF crap. Then you may find out why Gambit Tiger wasn't tested.
>>>>
>>>>Enrique
>>>
>>>look. its easy enrique.
>>>
>>>each time the ssdf comes out, especially at christmas time,
>>>they do not ! (in words: NOT) present the strongest program
>>>when this is a non chessbase-program.
>>>
>>>they have all kind of reasons, excuses.
>>>and they promise that MAYBE the next list...
>>>
>>>this pattern is each year.
>>>
>>>it would be a surprise if this would NOT be the case one day.
>>>but - it never happens.
>>>
>>>you call it crap.
>>>i call it pre-selection of data to tune statistics.
>>>
>>>in almost any scientific field you have those kind of "fine-tuning".
>>>it was invented to keep power in place and shape.
>>>the ones who need the "right" statistics fine-tune the data,
>>>to proof what they KNOW before they count together.
>>
>>
>>
>>No, you are wrong. And you should definitely have asked me before.
>>
>>I have asked the SSDF to delay the test of Tiger 13 because I want first to fix
>>a problem in the program: Tiger too easily lets the opponent replay the same
>>lost game.
>>
>>It happened last year when Tiger 12 lost 12 times the same opening against
>>Junior6.
>>
>>The book learning algorithm hasn't been totally fixed and I do not want the same
>>problem to happen again. This problem will probably never hurt the people who
>>have bought the program, because most of the users do not play long series of
>>autoplayed matches. But it is definitely going to show up in the (long) SSDF
>>matches.
>>
>>So I have asked Thoralf to delay the test, for this reason, and he kindly
>>accepted.
>>
>>The SSDF is in my opinion totally independant of any software company.
>>
>>And one thing you should remember: last year, just before Christmas, Tiger 12
>>topped the SSDF list for the first time. One month before Christmas. So you
>>could as well forget your theory about a Christmas ChessBase/SSDF conspiracy.
>>
>>
>>
>> Christophe
>
>
>Add the fact SSDF tested Tiger DOS, topping the list without being
>available to the public. Nobody complained. I remember a similar case :)
>
>Ed
Yes they tested the DOS version because I promised that the upcoming Windows
version would have EXACTLY the same engine, and that's what happened.
If they wanted to help ChessBase, who was leading the list with Fritz5.32 at the
time, they could have simply told me: Christophe, your program is not yet
available, send it to us when it is a commercial product. So ChessBase would
have stayed on top for the Christmas season. It was easy.
But that's not what they did, and I think it clearly shows that they are
interested in knowing which is the best program, and to include in their list
all the interesting programs. That's all. No commercial connection at all.
Christophe
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