Author: Ed Schröder
Date: 09:48:07 12/29/00
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On December 29, 2000 at 09:12:48, Thorsten Czub wrote: >On December 29, 2000 at 05:53:53, Mogens Larsen wrote: >>However, if the same courtesy is applied to all the software tested then there >>shouldn't be a problem. Remember that the Gandalf test was stopped when the >>learning bug was discovered. > >right. > >>One thing bothers me about the Tiger controversy though. Why should the >>programmer be allowed to implement additional knowledge unrelated to the bug? > >that is often the case. and you should consider IN FORWARD if you allow it or >not. >i would not allow this at a championship. >in fact: when goliath crashed in paris, it was not allowed to fix >it with a patch that also could have had a different knowledge and search >part into it. it was only allowed to try to fix it with the software >that was chosen for the game. > >in my milleninnium tournament last year, i allowed changes, no matter >if the version changes the playing style or search stuff or bugs. > >maybe the ssdf need a written charta. > > >>In >>my mind there should have been a quick learning fix (like Gandalf) and the >>testing could have started. Everyone can claim to be working on something. >>That's were I share your concern. > >thanks. > >>You know as well as I do about the Shredder incident. It's in the best interest >>of the consumer if the relationship between SSDF and authors are as good as >>possible. It's a question of finding the right balance. So far the balance has >>been okay. > >from your point of view. >i feel different. > >>Maybe. >>Maybe. >>You can't have it both ways. Either it's tested or it isn't. If you don't accept >>the methods used by SSDF that's fair enough, but criticising no matter what they >>do isn't. >> >>Mogens. > >in the days BEFORE the autoplaye was invented, the ssdf tested playing with >hands. like any of us. >nobody complained about this. >if it is known a program has strange effects, why not testing it with hands ? >but they have become to lazy. >maybe all of us have become too lazy. >i see no problem in playing 100 games or more with century3 with hands. >in fact as a tester you do with many programs. virtual chess. chessmaster. >other programs. > >how many games i have been operated manually in my life? >ough ! Maybe you should volunteer. Wink.... Ed >how many girls told me: the computers or me ! >and i decided for the computers. > >but then the autoplayer came and it socialized us as normal individuals. >ok - almost normal :-) > >i would make an exception and try out century3 with hands. and if the score >changes drastically, i would make another entry: rebelcentury3 autoplayed >ansd another rebelcentury3 played with hands. > >and than the problem would be ok. > >but - i see - there are more important things to do with you hands... >e.g. washing your car... or cooking... or ---
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