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Subject: Re: d'accord

Author: Ed Schröder

Date: 09:48:07 12/29/00

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On December 29, 2000 at 09:12:48, Thorsten Czub wrote:

>On December 29, 2000 at 05:53:53, Mogens Larsen wrote:
>>However, if the same courtesy is applied to all the software tested then there
>>shouldn't be a problem. Remember that the Gandalf test was stopped when the
>>learning bug was discovered.
>
>right.
>
>>One thing bothers me about the Tiger controversy though. Why should the
>>programmer be allowed to implement additional knowledge unrelated to the bug?
>
>that is often the case. and you should consider IN FORWARD if you allow it or
>not.
>i would not allow this at a championship.
>in fact: when goliath crashed in paris, it was not allowed to fix
>it with a patch that also could have had a different knowledge and search
>part into it. it was only allowed to try to fix it with the software
>that was chosen for the game.
>
>in my milleninnium tournament last year, i allowed changes, no matter
>if the version changes the playing style or search stuff or bugs.
>
>maybe the ssdf need a written charta.
>
>
>>In
>>my mind there should have been a quick learning fix (like Gandalf) and the
>>testing could have started. Everyone can claim to be working on something.
>>That's were I share your concern.
>
>thanks.
>
>>You know as well as I do about the Shredder incident. It's in the best interest
>>of the consumer if the relationship between SSDF and authors are as good as
>>possible. It's a question of finding the right balance. So far the balance has
>>been okay.
>
>from your point of view.
>i feel different.
>
>>Maybe.
>>Maybe.
>>You can't have it both ways. Either it's tested or it isn't. If you don't accept
>>the methods used by SSDF that's fair enough, but criticising no matter what they
>>do isn't.
>>
>>Mogens.
>
>in the days BEFORE the autoplaye was invented, the ssdf tested playing with
>hands. like any of us.
>nobody complained about this.
>if it is known a program has strange effects, why not testing it with hands ?
>but they have become to lazy.
>maybe all of us have become too lazy.
>i see no problem in playing 100 games or more with century3 with hands.
>in fact as a tester you do with many programs. virtual chess. chessmaster.
>other programs.
>
>how many games i have been operated manually in my life?
>ough !

Maybe you should volunteer.

Wink....

Ed


>how many girls told me: the computers or me !
>and i decided for the computers.
>
>but then the autoplayer came and it socialized us as normal individuals.
>ok - almost normal :-)
>
>i would make an exception and try out century3 with hands. and if the score
>changes drastically, i would make another entry: rebelcentury3 autoplayed
>ansd another rebelcentury3 played with hands.
>
>and than the problem would be ok.
>
>but - i see - there are more important things to do with you hands...
>e.g. washing your car... or cooking... or ---



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