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Subject: Re: SSDF Deep Fritz - Junior 6: 0,5 - 2,5 Now: 1 - 6 !!

Author: José Carlos

Date: 23:36:40 01/02/01

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On January 02, 2001 at 20:50:07, Christophe Theron wrote:

>On January 02, 2001 at 09:26:12, José Carlos wrote:
>
>>On January 02, 2001 at 09:06:03, Severi Salminen wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>>  You look really angry about this :)
>>>>  Anyway, remember your program is one of the very few that is able to play
>>>>strong chess in slow 486's so, from 486's point of view, your program gets less
>>>>benefit from fast hardware than others.
>>>
>>>I don't understand your statement. Why would a program that plays strong chess
>>>using 486 benefit less from speedup than a program playing weak chess using
>>>486?? Do you have some evidence or is this just a "gut comment"?
>>
>>  It's easy. If program A and program B plays at 2600 in modern hardaware, but
>>program A plays at 2200 in a 486, and program B plays at 2000, then program A
>>gets less benefit from speed improvement than program B.
>
>
>
>Then it's even worse for program B. In this case, "B benefits more from faster
>hardware" is a statement created to hide the fact that B sucks somewhere on the
>strength/time_control curve. Generally near the origin (fast time controls).
>
>The "benefits more from faster hardware" is a bullshit. It's an attempt to make
>you believe that the program in question will be the best on the hardware of
>next year. Which never happens.
>
>Can you mention a single program that has ever been the best when faster
>hardware was available? I mean which has been PROVEN to be really stronger, so
>it was really stronger AND it was possible practically to show it (or else the
>statement is of very little interest).
>
>I know of programs that have been proven to be inferior on faster hardware
>against the best competitors (Genius), but there has never been any program that
>has been proven to be stronger against the best competitors on faster hardware.
>It has been said many times for various programs, but then it has never been
>proven.
>
>
>
>    Christophe

  I think what you say is almost the same as I said. The curve of speed/strength
is different for any program, but the statement is used more than it should be.

  José C.



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