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Subject: Re: Hard position?

Author: Pete Galati

Date: 10:46:41 01/03/01

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On January 03, 2001 at 04:04:30, Uri Blass wrote:

>On January 03, 2001 at 03:35:57, Pete Galati wrote:
>
>>On January 02, 2001 at 02:45:27, Ferdinand S. Mosca wrote:
>>
>>>On January 02, 2001 at 01:24:15, Steve Timson wrote:
>>>
>>>>This position is from a game Chester played on ICC vs. a human.
>>>>
>>>>[D] 1r3rk1/pbqnnppp/4p3/2ppP3/p2P4/B1PB1N2/2P2PPP/R2QR1K1 w - - 0 15
>>>>
>>>>Chester's opponent played Bxh7 and went on to win.  Chester has a very hard time
>>>>understanding this position.  It doesn't realize Bxh7 is a good move until a few
>>>>moves down the resulting sequence (Bxh7 Kxh7 Ng5+ Kg6 and it sees the swing
>>>>after Qg4).  How do other programs do here?  Do they see Bxh7 in a reasonable
>>>>time period?
>>>>
>>>> - Steve
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Hi Steve,
>>>
>>>Yace on P3_450 found Bxh7 in less than 27 seconds.
>>>This position is a bit hard for programs since it gives up material.
>>>
>>>Dinan
>>
>>With the Dos Comet on a Celeron700 in Windows, approx 18mb hash, it took 77
>>seconds.  I have doubts that this is very difficult for a program at all.  They
>>can see the King getting trapped real fast.  I just wish I could see the rest of
>>what Comet is thinking, but that King appears to be in big trouble.
>>
>>Pete
>>
>>Comet-B.27    Wed Jan  3 02:12:29 2001
>>
>>depth	score	  sec	  nodes		  pv
>> 1.	+0.19	    0	      947	 d3b5
>> 2.	+0.15	    0	     3466	 a3c5  d7c5  d4c5  c7c5  a1a4
>> 3.	+0.15	    0	    10709	 a3c5  d7c5  d4c5  c7c5  a1a4
>> 4.	+0.11	    0	    12140	 a3c5  d7c5  d4c5  f8c8  f3g5
>> 4.	+0.11	    0	    41242	 a3c5  d7c5  d4c5  f8c8  f3g5
>> 5.	+0.02	    0	    49891	 a3c5  d7c5  d4c5  f8c8  a1a4  c7c5  d1d2
>> 5.	+0.11	    0	    80031	 d1d2  f8e8  d4c5  e8c8  a3b4  d7c5  b4c5
>> 5.	+0.11	    1	   133031	 d1d2  f8e8  d4c5  e8c8  a3b4  d7c5  b4c5
>> 6.	+0.14	    2	   245899	 d1d2  f8e8  a3c5  d7c5  d4c5  c7a5  e1b1
>> 6.	+0.14	    5	   766414	 d1d2  f8e8  a3c5  d7c5  d4c5  c7a5  e1b1
>> 7.	+0.13	    7	  1067950	 d1d2  f8c8  e1b1  e7g6  a3c5  d7c5  d3g6
>> 7.	+0.13	   12	  1694460	 d1d2  f8c8  e1b1  e7g6  a3c5  d7c5  d3g6
>> 8.	+0.04	   24	  3132774	 d1d2  f8e8  e1b1  b7a8  d2g5  b8b1  a1b1
>> 8!	+0.26	   77	 11278271	 d3h7  g8h7  f3g5  h7h6  d1g4  e7g6  g5e6
>> 8!	+0.53	   79	 11826970	 d3h7  g8h7  f3g5  h7h6  d1g4  c5d4  a3e7
>> 8.	+0.56	   83	 12775906	 d3h7  g8h7  f3g5  h7g6  d1g4  f7f5  a3b4
>> 8.	+0.56	   83	 12798067	 d3h7  g8h7  f3g5  h7g6  d1g4  f7f5  a3b4
>> 9?	+0.42	   85	 13314268	 d3h7  g8h7  f3g5  h7g6  d1g4  f7f5  g4f5
>> 9?	+0.15	  113	 18995944	 d3h7  g8h7  d4c5
>> 9.	+0.15	  114	 19120060	 d3h7  g8h7  d4c5
>>
>>==> My Move: d3h7 in 1:59
>
>CometB27(64 mbytes hash under chessbase) had a fail low without solving it.
>It is a bad point to stop it.
>If you give Comet more time it is going to solve the fail low and see a negative
>score for Bxh7+ and it is going to change its mind to Qd2
>
>Comet can find Bh7 again at depth 10 and it fail high again and again to get
>+1.61 score after 4:47 on pIII800.
>
>It fails high again at depth 11 and it can see +1.97 score after 6:15 and +1.99
>at depth 12 after 9:11.
>It fails high again at depth 13 with score of +2.12 after 13:38
>
>I agree that the position is not very hard but your result for Comet is too
>optimistic because you stopped it before it had an opportunity to see the
>tactical reason.
>
>The times are not exactly correct and may be slightly smaller because the p800
>did another task(this post)
>
>Uri

Ok, if I remember to do it, I'll reboot into Dos and let Comet run with this
position for an hour or two, see what it thinks then.

Pete



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