Author: Enrique Irazoqui
Date: 16:30:02 01/05/01
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On January 05, 2001 at 16:22:34, Mark Schreiber wrote: >On January 05, 2001 at 12:57:19, Ernst Walet wrote: > >>Still, according to me, you cannot completely compare the two matches, as in >>Dortmund Junior played each opponent just once (as far as I know), while Rebel >>plays the same opponent six times. >> >>Ernst. >> > >You’re right, we can not compare the 2 matches. The Super-GM Dortmund was harder >for Junior. It had 9 rounds instead of 6 rounds Rebel is playing. So there was >more opportunity for the humans to find and learn Junior’s mistakes. There were >more humans looking for Junior’s mistakes. Also Dortmund had much stronger >players. I don’t think v/d Wiel would have any chance with the 8 processor >Junior. >Mark Van der Wiel never lost to a computer in a slow game. I don't know about Junior, but Fritz on a multiprocessor machine lost to van der Wiel half a year ago in an official game. If you look at it you will realize what he does to programs. [Event "ch-NED"] [Site "Rotterdam NED"] [Date "2000.05.19"] [Round "11"] [White "Van der Wiel, J."] [Black "Fritz SSS"] [Result "1-0"] [ECO "D00"] [WhiteElo "2558"] [PlyCount "91"] [EventDate "2000.05.07"] 1. d4 d5 2. c3 Nf6 3. Bg5 Ne4 4. Bf4 g5 5. Bc1 h6 6. e3 Bg7 7. Bd3 Nd7 8. c4 Ndf6 9. f3 Nd6 10. c5 Nf5 11. Ne2 g4 12. f4 Qd7 13. Nbc3 Qe6 14. Qd2 Bd7 15. b4 h5 16. a4 O-O-O 17. Kd1 h4 18. b5 Kb8 19. Rb1 h3 20. g3 Be8 21. a5 Ka8 22. Ke1 Bd7 23. Kf2 a6 24. Qc2 Rb8 25. Bd2 axb5 26. Nxb5 Bxb5 27. Rxb5 Ne4+ 28. Bxe4 Qxe4 29. Qxe4 dxe4 30. Nc3 e6 31. Nxe4 Ne7 32. Ng5 Rhf8 33. Rhb1 Ka7 34. a6 bxa6 35. Rxb8 Rxb8 36. Rxb8 Kxb8 37. Nxf7 Kc8 38. Ng5 Kd7 39. Ke2 Nf5 40. Ne4 Kc6 41. Nf2 Nh6 42. Ba5 Bf6 43. Kd3 Kd7 44. e4 Bg7 45. Kc4 Kc6 46. Bd2 1-0 Enrique >>On January 05, 2001 at 12:53:19, Ernst Walet wrote: >> >>>On January 05, 2001 at 12:50:37, Uri Blass wrote: >>> >>>>On January 05, 2001 at 12:38:27, Ernst Walet wrote: >>>> >>>>>On January 05, 2001 at 12:20:16, Uri Blass wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On January 05, 2001 at 11:44:01, Ernst Walet wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On January 05, 2001 at 07:50:42, Mark Schreiber wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>In the match with v/d Wiel, Rebel is running on P3 866 MHz. Using a faster >>>>>>>>computer would be an improvemnt. Maybe a P4 1.5 GHz. They could also improve >>>>>>>>Rebel to run on dual or multi processor like Junior. The Junior that ran on an 8 >>>>>>>>processor at Dortmund would clobber v/d Wiel. At Dortmund, Junior performed at >>>>>>>>Fide 2700. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I believe the games at Dormunt had a faster time control, so you cannot compare >>>>>>>the rating. >>>>>> >>>>>>The truth "believes" that the games at dortmund had no faster time control. >>>>>> >>>>>>Uri >>>>> >>>>>Thank you for calling me a liar. >>>> >>>>I did not call you a liar. >>>> >>>>I remember that the games were tournament time control but I was not sure if it >>>>was exactly the same time control so I looked in the following link >>>> >>>>http://www.chessbase.com/events/dortmund2000/dort09.htm >>>> >>>>I found that leko lost after a game of 6 hours against Deep Junior and it means >>>>that the time control was not faster than the games of Rebel against van der >>>>Wiel. >>>> >>>>Only after I found this information I responded. >>>> >>>>I did not like the fact that you posted "I believe" without checking and this >>>>was the reason for my response(the truth "believes"). >>>> >>>>Uri >>> >>> >>>"I believe" was meant as "As far as I know" and not as "I am sure". >>> >>>Misunderstanding, no harm done. >>> >>>Ernst.
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