Author: Uri Blass
Date: 04:41:41 01/07/01
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On January 07, 2001 at 07:24:38, Mark Schreiber wrote: >On January 05, 2001 at 19:30:02, Enrique Irazoqui wrote: > >>On January 05, 2001 at 16:22:34, Mark Schreiber wrote: >> >>>On January 05, 2001 at 12:57:19, Ernst Walet wrote: >>> >>>>Still, according to me, you cannot completely compare the two matches, as in >>>>Dortmund Junior played each opponent just once (as far as I know), while Rebel >>>>plays the same opponent six times. >>>> >>>>Ernst. >>>> >>> >>>You’re right, we can not compare the 2 matches. The Super-GM Dortmund was harder >>>for Junior. It had 9 rounds instead of 6 rounds Rebel is playing. So there was >>>more opportunity for the humans to find and learn Junior’s mistakes. There were >>>more humans looking for Junior’s mistakes. Also Dortmund had much stronger >>>players. I don’t think v/d Wiel would have any chance with the 8 processor >>>Junior. >>>Mark >> >>Van der Wiel never lost to a computer in a slow game. I don't know about Junior, >>but Fritz on a multiprocessor machine lost to van der Wiel half a year ago in an >>official game. If you look at it you will realize what he does to programs. >> >>[Event "ch-NED"] >>[Site "Rotterdam NED"] >>[Date "2000.05.19"] >>[Round "11"] >>[White "Van der Wiel, J."] >>[Black "Fritz SSS"] >>[Result "1-0"] >>[ECO "D00"] >>[WhiteElo "2558"] >>[PlyCount "91"] >>[EventDate "2000.05.07"] >> >>1. d4 d5 2. c3 Nf6 3. Bg5 Ne4 4. Bf4 g5 5. Bc1 h6 6. e3 Bg7 7. Bd3 Nd7 8. c4 >>Ndf6 9. f3 Nd6 10. c5 Nf5 11. Ne2 g4 12. f4 Qd7 13. Nbc3 Qe6 14. Qd2 Bd7 15. b4 >>h5 16. a4 O-O-O 17. Kd1 h4 18. b5 Kb8 19. Rb1 h3 20. g3 Be8 21. a5 Ka8 22. Ke1 >>Bd7 23. Kf2 a6 24. Qc2 Rb8 25. Bd2 axb5 26. Nxb5 Bxb5 27. Rxb5 Ne4+ 28. Bxe4 >>Qxe4 29. Qxe4 dxe4 30. Nc3 e6 31. Nxe4 Ne7 32. Ng5 Rhf8 33. Rhb1 Ka7 34. a6 >>bxa6 35. Rxb8 Rxb8 36. Rxb8 Kxb8 37. Nxf7 Kc8 38. Ng5 Kd7 39. Ke2 Nf5 40. Ne4 >>Kc6 41. Nf2 Nh6 42. Ba5 Bf6 43. Kd3 Kd7 44. e4 Bg7 45. Kc4 Kc6 46. Bd2 1-0 >> >>Enrique >> > >All of Van der Wiel games except the one against Fritz sss were played in 1997 >and earlier. That’s 4 years ago. A long time for chess programs. That’s 164 SSDF >points. We can compare Van der Wiel results to the results of other players 4 years ago. It will be interesting to calculate the performance of the players who played 4 years ago against computers(you can give every program rating that is equal to it's performance against humans for the calculation). We can get an estimate for van der Wiel's rating against computers by this calculation. So he played only 1 game with the current programs and on current >computers. 1 game does not make him a computer killer against today’s smarter >programs running on today’s faster computers. Deep Junior is not Fritz sss. >Fritz sss was running on P3 500 mhz 4 processor. Deep Junior was running on much >faster P3 700 mhz 8 processor. Van der Wiel would have no chance in a 6 game >match with Deep Junior on an 8 processor. We do not know it and the only way to know is by doing a match. I know that another dutch player(piket) won Deep Junior on p700*8 with black. I think that the only thing that is missing for a match between Deep Junior and Van der Wiel is a sponsor to pay for Van der Wiel. Uri
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