Author: Mark Schreiber
Date: 06:14:37 01/07/01
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On January 07, 2001 at 07:41:41, Uri Blass wrote: >On January 07, 2001 at 07:24:38, Mark Schreiber wrote: > >>On January 05, 2001 at 19:30:02, Enrique Irazoqui wrote: >> >>>On January 05, 2001 at 16:22:34, Mark Schreiber wrote: >>> >>>>On January 05, 2001 at 12:57:19, Ernst Walet wrote: >>>> >>>>>Still, according to me, you cannot completely compare the two matches, as in >>>>>Dortmund Junior played each opponent just once (as far as I know), while Rebel >>>>>plays the same opponent six times. >>>>> >>>>>Ernst. >>>>> >>>> >>>>You’re right, we can not compare the 2 matches. The Super-GM Dortmund was harder >>>>for Junior. It had 9 rounds instead of 6 rounds Rebel is playing. So there was >>>>more opportunity for the humans to find and learn Junior’s mistakes. There were >>>>more humans looking for Junior’s mistakes. Also Dortmund had much stronger >>>>players. I don’t think v/d Wiel would have any chance with the 8 processor >>>>Junior. >>>>Mark >>> >>>Van der Wiel never lost to a computer in a slow game. I don't know about Junior, >>>but Fritz on a multiprocessor machine lost to van der Wiel half a year ago in an >>>official game. If you look at it you will realize what he does to programs. >>> >>>[Event "ch-NED"] >>>[Site "Rotterdam NED"] >>>[Date "2000.05.19"] >>>[Round "11"] >>>[White "Van der Wiel, J."] >>>[Black "Fritz SSS"] >>>[Result "1-0"] >>>[ECO "D00"] >>>[WhiteElo "2558"] >>>[PlyCount "91"] >>>[EventDate "2000.05.07"] >>> >>>1. d4 d5 2. c3 Nf6 3. Bg5 Ne4 4. Bf4 g5 5. Bc1 h6 6. e3 Bg7 7. Bd3 Nd7 8. c4 >>>Ndf6 9. f3 Nd6 10. c5 Nf5 11. Ne2 g4 12. f4 Qd7 13. Nbc3 Qe6 14. Qd2 Bd7 15. b4 >>>h5 16. a4 O-O-O 17. Kd1 h4 18. b5 Kb8 19. Rb1 h3 20. g3 Be8 21. a5 Ka8 22. Ke1 >>>Bd7 23. Kf2 a6 24. Qc2 Rb8 25. Bd2 axb5 26. Nxb5 Bxb5 27. Rxb5 Ne4+ 28. Bxe4 >>>Qxe4 29. Qxe4 dxe4 30. Nc3 e6 31. Nxe4 Ne7 32. Ng5 Rhf8 33. Rhb1 Ka7 34. a6 >>>bxa6 35. Rxb8 Rxb8 36. Rxb8 Kxb8 37. Nxf7 Kc8 38. Ng5 Kd7 39. Ke2 Nf5 40. Ne4 >>>Kc6 41. Nf2 Nh6 42. Ba5 Bf6 43. Kd3 Kd7 44. e4 Bg7 45. Kc4 Kc6 46. Bd2 1-0 >>> >>>Enrique >>> >> >>All of Van der Wiel games except the one against Fritz sss were played in 1997 >>and earlier. That’s 4 years ago. A long time for chess programs. That’s 164 SSDF >>points. > >We can compare Van der Wiel results to the results of other players 4 years ago. > >It will be interesting to calculate the performance of the players who played 4 >years ago against computers(you can give every program rating that is equal to >it's performance against humans for the calculation). > >We can get an estimate for van der Wiel's rating against computers by this >calculation. > I am not sure I understand you. If we get Van der Wiel performance against computers for 1997 how will that tell how Van der Wiel will perform against today’s programs on today’s computers. > So he played only 1 game with the current programs and on current >>computers. 1 game does not make him a computer killer against today’s smarter >>programs running on today’s faster computers. Deep Junior is not Fritz sss. >>Fritz sss was running on P3 500 mhz 4 processor. Deep Junior was running on much >>faster P3 700 mhz 8 processor. Van der Wiel would have no chance in a 6 game >>match with Deep Junior on an 8 processor. > >We do not know it and the only way to know is by doing a match. >I know that another dutch player(piket) won Deep Junior on p700*8 with black. > Piket is 118 points stronger than Van Der Wiel. Van Der Wiel would still lose. >I think that the only thing that is missing for a match between Deep Junior and >Van der Wiel is a sponsor to pay for Van der Wiel. > I agree if Deep Junior is on an 8 processor. >Uri
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