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Subject: Re: Rebel Tiger and idiots....... or at least ignorant.

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 19:33:14 01/09/01

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On January 09, 2001 at 16:39:26, Ed Panek wrote:

>On January 08, 2001 at 12:51:26, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On January 08, 2001 at 11:57:47, Garry Evans wrote:
>>
>>>On January 08, 2001 at 11:36:41, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>
>>>>On January 08, 2001 at 10:48:47, David Wilke wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>I was watching a few games between two computer accounts on ICC last night, and
>>>>>I noticed that both programs were using Tiger.
>>>>>
>>>>>One, I don't see the point in the games, and two, one of the accounts had it in
>>>>>his finger notes, that he didn't want to play other Rebel Tiger clones.
>>>>>
>>>>>The other account was supposed to be using Fritz 6, but his gamestart kibitzes
>>>>>were that of Rebel Tiger. So really, he was abusing the first account, by lying
>>>>>about what program he was using, and not respecting the wishes of the other
>>>>>account.
>>>>>
>>>>>I see this happen quite a bit, is there no way to implement a feature to noplay
>>>>>programs that kibitz the Rebel Tiger II kibitz?
>>>>>
>>>>>Crafty has such a feature, and I think it is a great feature.
>>>>>
>>>>>Or even better, as the Tiger interface automatically sets the interface
>>>>>variable, and if I am not mistaken, does it at the start of every game, why not
>>>>>have Tiger look at the persons variables, to see if it states Tiger is being
>>>>>used, and then noplay the person if so. I know the interface variable can be
>>>>>changed.. but what the heck :)
>>>>>
>>>>>What most people do not understand is, playing the same program you are using,
>>>>>usually turns out ot be a hardware battle, and is pointless. I guess kiddies
>>>>>using daddy's big hardware computer, and the gift theygot for xmas need to show
>>>>>that their big hardware can beat someone using the same program on lesser
>>>>>hardware. Geez.. grow up.
>>>>>
>>>>>Crafty asks the same of all the Crafty clones. Why shouldn't Tiger expect less.
>>>>>
>>>>>Can you imagine 14 Tiger clones competing for the next WCCC? That would be
>>>>>stupid.
>>>>>
>>>>>And if you are all wondering.. no neither of these accounts were mine :P
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I don't think you can begin to try to understand the psyche of people that
>>>>run computers on the chess servers.  I understand why "authors" do this.  It
>>>>is a great development and debugging approach.  But as to why non-authors would
>>>>spend the amount of time they do to play online?  Don't have a clue.  I wouldn't
>>>>do it myself any more than I would spend all day trying to  compile all the
>>>>SPEC programs with a compiler somebody _else_ wrote.
>>>>
>>>>Seems pointless to me...
>>>>
>>>>Yes, a few are beta-testers.  And that makes sense.  And yes, a few are
>>>>"helpers" and that also makes sense.  But 99% of the computer operators have
>>>>no contact of any kind with the author or development team.
>>>
>>>
>>>  Perhaps these people simply enjoy watching Computers play chess? I do not see
>>>why it is so hard to understand why people would find it interesting to watch
>>>computers play chess.
>>
>>
>>That isn't it.  Otherwise they would just connect to ICC and observe one of
>>the dozens of computer vs computer games _already_ in progress.  I have never
>>seen a period of time where there were no computer games already in progress...
>>
>>There is more to it than that..
>   I disagree. The statement that people who like to watch computers play chess
>should log on and watch other games already in progress is an example of a
>paradoxical statement. That is to say that if every computer player took this
>advice it would be self defeating ( all computers would be watching!!). the only
>other explanation is that computers who are already playing are an exception to
>this..uhoh here come the exceptions....this is not a good start :)(See reductio
>ad absurdum)


A bad argument.  _I_ run crafty for the reasons I gave... to debug and test
the code.  Because I am writing it.  Others play there for the same reason.
Others play for reasons I don't understand.  But a few said they play because
they like to see computers play.  _that_ can be done without playing your
own computer on the server...




>
>   I myself rarely play computer chess on the internet. When I do it to try out
>a new program (like rebel tiger) and see what its strengths and weaknesses are
>without having to buy other programs. Then I play the program OTB at home. I
>ahve been doing this since the early 1980's when I used to own a chess program
>for my TSR 80.
>
>
>Ed



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