Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 19:33:14 01/09/01
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On January 09, 2001 at 16:39:26, Ed Panek wrote: >On January 08, 2001 at 12:51:26, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On January 08, 2001 at 11:57:47, Garry Evans wrote: >> >>>On January 08, 2001 at 11:36:41, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>> >>>>On January 08, 2001 at 10:48:47, David Wilke wrote: >>>> >>>>>I was watching a few games between two computer accounts on ICC last night, and >>>>>I noticed that both programs were using Tiger. >>>>> >>>>>One, I don't see the point in the games, and two, one of the accounts had it in >>>>>his finger notes, that he didn't want to play other Rebel Tiger clones. >>>>> >>>>>The other account was supposed to be using Fritz 6, but his gamestart kibitzes >>>>>were that of Rebel Tiger. So really, he was abusing the first account, by lying >>>>>about what program he was using, and not respecting the wishes of the other >>>>>account. >>>>> >>>>>I see this happen quite a bit, is there no way to implement a feature to noplay >>>>>programs that kibitz the Rebel Tiger II kibitz? >>>>> >>>>>Crafty has such a feature, and I think it is a great feature. >>>>> >>>>>Or even better, as the Tiger interface automatically sets the interface >>>>>variable, and if I am not mistaken, does it at the start of every game, why not >>>>>have Tiger look at the persons variables, to see if it states Tiger is being >>>>>used, and then noplay the person if so. I know the interface variable can be >>>>>changed.. but what the heck :) >>>>> >>>>>What most people do not understand is, playing the same program you are using, >>>>>usually turns out ot be a hardware battle, and is pointless. I guess kiddies >>>>>using daddy's big hardware computer, and the gift theygot for xmas need to show >>>>>that their big hardware can beat someone using the same program on lesser >>>>>hardware. Geez.. grow up. >>>>> >>>>>Crafty asks the same of all the Crafty clones. Why shouldn't Tiger expect less. >>>>> >>>>>Can you imagine 14 Tiger clones competing for the next WCCC? That would be >>>>>stupid. >>>>> >>>>>And if you are all wondering.. no neither of these accounts were mine :P >>>> >>>> >>>>I don't think you can begin to try to understand the psyche of people that >>>>run computers on the chess servers. I understand why "authors" do this. It >>>>is a great development and debugging approach. But as to why non-authors would >>>>spend the amount of time they do to play online? Don't have a clue. I wouldn't >>>>do it myself any more than I would spend all day trying to compile all the >>>>SPEC programs with a compiler somebody _else_ wrote. >>>> >>>>Seems pointless to me... >>>> >>>>Yes, a few are beta-testers. And that makes sense. And yes, a few are >>>>"helpers" and that also makes sense. But 99% of the computer operators have >>>>no contact of any kind with the author or development team. >>> >>> >>> Perhaps these people simply enjoy watching Computers play chess? I do not see >>>why it is so hard to understand why people would find it interesting to watch >>>computers play chess. >> >> >>That isn't it. Otherwise they would just connect to ICC and observe one of >>the dozens of computer vs computer games _already_ in progress. I have never >>seen a period of time where there were no computer games already in progress... >> >>There is more to it than that.. > I disagree. The statement that people who like to watch computers play chess >should log on and watch other games already in progress is an example of a >paradoxical statement. That is to say that if every computer player took this >advice it would be self defeating ( all computers would be watching!!). the only >other explanation is that computers who are already playing are an exception to >this..uhoh here come the exceptions....this is not a good start :)(See reductio >ad absurdum) A bad argument. _I_ run crafty for the reasons I gave... to debug and test the code. Because I am writing it. Others play there for the same reason. Others play for reasons I don't understand. But a few said they play because they like to see computers play. _that_ can be done without playing your own computer on the server... > > I myself rarely play computer chess on the internet. When I do it to try out >a new program (like rebel tiger) and see what its strengths and weaknesses are >without having to buy other programs. Then I play the program OTB at home. I >ahve been doing this since the early 1980's when I used to own a chess program >for my TSR 80. > > >Ed
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