Author: Hermano Ecuadoriano
Date: 20:07:49 01/09/01
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On January 09, 2001 at 19:30:43, James T. Walker wrote: >Hello all, >Can someone please explain what the GUI SCANDAL means? First, an explanation of the words I chose: The original post was entitled "Another GUI scandal?". "Another" was a reference to problems caused by the (original) Chessbase protocol, about which people seem to have forgotten. I'm sorry about this obscure reference. I thought everyone would know about it. "Scandal" was a reference to what I saw as their late admission that there was a problem. (The admission is contained in effect in their documentation which I cite later.) The question mark was used because I don't know that there is a problem with S5. In this, the original post: http://www.icdchess.com/forums/1/message.shtml?148547 I asked whether or not the S5 GUI causes certain problems. In this post: http://www.icdchess.com/forums/1/message.shtml?148653 an engine author states clearly that there are problems of the type that I asked about. In this post: http://www.icdchess.com/forums/1/message.shtml?148788 beginning about halfway down, I cited the CHESSBASE documentation of the way THEY do it. This documentation can be found here: http://www.chessbase.com/Products/engines/winboard/tech.htm My extract began with "BEGIN CHESSBASE DOCUMENTATION", and ended with "END CHESSBASE DOCUMENTATION". It contained my comments in square brackets. (I made a mistake: Crafty does not recognize a "fritz" command.) At the end of that post, I restated my question, whether or not the S5 interface does it this way or not. In this reply: http://www.icdchess.com/forums/1/message.shtml?148653 Dr. Hyatt gives his opinion that IF that is the way Chessbase does it, it is "_horrible_", etc. > I have been reading the >post and I would like to know what the effect is on the programs like Crafty. In this post in a different thread: http://www.icdchess.com/forums/1/message.shtml?148981 That previously mentioned engine author referred to his findings, UNDER THE SHREDDER5 GUI, and Dr. Hyatt gave his opinion of the consequences to Crafty, IF true. (You have already replied to that post.) >It seems to me that if the hash tables were reset after each move then >"Pondering" would be ineffective. I mean when I'm playing Crafty in the >Shredder 5 GUI and I make the exact move that Crafty is pondering, wouldn't this >kill the pondering and make Crafty start it's thinking over again. Since Crafty >does not do this This procedure sounds good to me. I'm sure you were careful. So maybe there is no problem. That would be good. > I wonder what the GUI SCANDAL really means. How can I prove >that this "reset" is happening since it's not affecting the pondering function. >Jim I don't know how it would be proved. It would be helpful if the programmers would comment. But, where ARE they? I also posted, asking whether or not Millennium still exists. Although this is the time to promote the product, their website "news" hasn't been updated since 20 Dec 00, and then, it is talking about legal problems! I studied the "UCI Protocol" documentation that can be downloaded from the "Millennium?" website, but it didn't help much. Also, Crafty under S5 would not (yet) be using this protocol. Concluding hypothesis: Maybe, if the hosted engine is not UCI compliant, then S5 uses the ordinary Winboard protocol. That would be very good!
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