Author: Ed Panek
Date: 06:41:11 01/10/01
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On January 09, 2001 at 22:33:14, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On January 09, 2001 at 16:39:26, Ed Panek wrote: > >>On January 08, 2001 at 12:51:26, Robert Hyatt wrote: >> >>>On January 08, 2001 at 11:57:47, Garry Evans wrote: >>> >>>>On January 08, 2001 at 11:36:41, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>> >>>>>On January 08, 2001 at 10:48:47, David Wilke wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>I was watching a few games between two computer accounts on ICC last night, and >>>>>>I noticed that both programs were using Tiger. >>>>>> >>>>>>One, I don't see the point in the games, and two, one of the accounts had it in >>>>>>his finger notes, that he didn't want to play other Rebel Tiger clones. >>>>>> >>>>>>The other account was supposed to be using Fritz 6, but his gamestart kibitzes >>>>>>were that of Rebel Tiger. So really, he was abusing the first account, by lying >>>>>>about what program he was using, and not respecting the wishes of the other >>>>>>account. >>>>>> >>>>>>I see this happen quite a bit, is there no way to implement a feature to noplay >>>>>>programs that kibitz the Rebel Tiger II kibitz? >>>>>> >>>>>>Crafty has such a feature, and I think it is a great feature. >>>>>> >>>>>>Or even better, as the Tiger interface automatically sets the interface >>>>>>variable, and if I am not mistaken, does it at the start of every game, why not >>>>>>have Tiger look at the persons variables, to see if it states Tiger is being >>>>>>used, and then noplay the person if so. I know the interface variable can be >>>>>>changed.. but what the heck :) >>>>>> >>>>>>What most people do not understand is, playing the same program you are using, >>>>>>usually turns out ot be a hardware battle, and is pointless. I guess kiddies >>>>>>using daddy's big hardware computer, and the gift theygot for xmas need to show >>>>>>that their big hardware can beat someone using the same program on lesser >>>>>>hardware. Geez.. grow up. >>>>>> >>>>>>Crafty asks the same of all the Crafty clones. Why shouldn't Tiger expect less. >>>>>> >>>>>>Can you imagine 14 Tiger clones competing for the next WCCC? That would be >>>>>>stupid. >>>>>> >>>>>>And if you are all wondering.. no neither of these accounts were mine :P >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>I don't think you can begin to try to understand the psyche of people that >>>>>run computers on the chess servers. I understand why "authors" do this. It >>>>>is a great development and debugging approach. But as to why non-authors would >>>>>spend the amount of time they do to play online? Don't have a clue. I wouldn't >>>>>do it myself any more than I would spend all day trying to compile all the >>>>>SPEC programs with a compiler somebody _else_ wrote. >>>>> >>>>>Seems pointless to me... >>>>> >>>>>Yes, a few are beta-testers. And that makes sense. And yes, a few are >>>>>"helpers" and that also makes sense. But 99% of the computer operators have >>>>>no contact of any kind with the author or development team. >>>> >>>> >>>> Perhaps these people simply enjoy watching Computers play chess? I do not see >>>>why it is so hard to understand why people would find it interesting to watch >>>>computers play chess. >>> >>> >>>That isn't it. Otherwise they would just connect to ICC and observe one of >>>the dozens of computer vs computer games _already_ in progress. I have never >>>seen a period of time where there were no computer games already in progress... >>> >>>There is more to it than that.. >> I disagree. The statement that people who like to watch computers play chess >>should log on and watch other games already in progress is an example of a >>paradoxical statement. That is to say that if every computer player took this >>advice it would be self defeating ( all computers would be watching!!). the only >>other explanation is that computers who are already playing are an exception to >>this..uhoh here come the exceptions....this is not a good start :)(See reductio >>ad absurdum) > > >A bad argument. _I_ run crafty for the reasons I gave... to debug and test >the code. Because I am writing it. Others play there for the same reason. >Others play for reasons I don't understand. But a few said they play because >they like to see computers play. _that_ can be done without playing your >own computer on the server... > > Like I said "here come the exceptions"...Now we must ascertain peoples intentions when playing on a chess server...next thing you will be reading minds!!:) "But a few said they play because >they like to see computers play. _that_ can be done without playing your >own computer on the server..." that can also be done by connecting your computer online! Are you saying that certain persons should or should not do this based upon your criteria of what is right? or based upon their intention? Ed good luck >
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