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Subject: Re: Comps are GM Level to most people.

Author: Garry Evans

Date: 11:03:40 01/14/01

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On January 14, 2001 at 13:50:46, Jeroen van Dorp wrote:

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>A boringly old example.
>
>As long as the first Elo 1200 player -and even I- can see this is draw, and any
>program can't, the statement "GM level" only goes for tactical calculating
>power.
>
>In my opinion the real strong chess player -be it master or grandmaster or
>whatever- has insight in the dynamics of the game, insight in the plans of his
>or her opponents, and a lot of creativity.
>
>He or she especially stands out in recognizing these kinds of standard
>situations and play or decide accordingly.
>
>The Mercedes engine of the McLarens was more powerful and faster than the
>Ferrari engine, no doubt a computerized driver would have outrun the mclaren any
>time, as it wouldn't make flaws in bends and turns.
>Yet the reason Schumacher took the WC is because of better overall insight, and
>sheer bluffing and trying.
>
>These elements make up a champion *at least* as much as technical abilities.
>
>The GM -performance is not something *mechanical*. Chess strenght can't be
>measured solely by bits and byte. It's insight, feeling. It's what computer
>programs still miss, be it a chess engine or the help wizard in Microsoft
>Office.
>
>Technically speaking chess engines have a baffling strenght I admire, yet
>knowing your opponents, recognizing positions and taking advantage of them is
>the other half they still miss on the way to become the real strong chess
>players they will be in time - but not now. Not yet.
>
>Jeroen ;-}


  The End Result is what really counts don't you think? If my tournament results
equal grandmaster strength regardless of how lousy I play the endgame, does it
really matter? In human chess we find the same type of pattern you'll have
grandmasters who excel tremendously in one aspect of the game, but play
miserably in another, this fact does not mean they are not grandmasters. All I
am asking is that we apply the same standards to machines as we do to humans,
since we all play the same game. Chess is Chess, just like mathmatics is
mathmatics, it matters not how we reach our solutions in math as long as we get
the correct answer!.



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