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Subject: Re: Computers and GM level: my final message about subject

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 11:08:32 01/15/01

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On January 15, 2001 at 13:09:36, Miguel A. Ballicora wrote:

>On January 15, 2001 at 02:35:13, Jouni Uski wrote:
>
>>For FIDE GM title You need at least 2500 rating. Here are 3 latest
>>human-computer match TPRs:
>>
>>Rebel 11       ~2600    Wiel 2001
>>Deep Junior     2703    Dortmund 2000
>>Deep Fritz      2585    Dutch Championship 2000
>>
>
>Being 2500 is only *one* of the requirements. Besides, it is a stable 2500
>after being 2200, 2300, etc. That means a lot of games above 2500 strength.
>That is one thing. The other, to get the GM, traditionally
>you have to have peaks of 2600, which are the "norms". Unless FIDE changed
>things, those were 3 norms that should account for at least 24 games, in
>tournaments, in a period of less than few years (3? 5?).
>
>From the results you show above, Deep junior has a norm. There are many
>IMs in the world that stayed in that situation for a long time and never got
>the GM title.

There are not a lot of IM's that got a GM norm with performance of more than
2700 and did not become a GM in afew years.

Uri
>
>I personally believe that few programs would get a title if they are release
>to play like any player, but it has to be demonstrated...
>For now, it is not that clear. Anyway, like other poster said, regarding
>analysis they are still behind the GMs, because the understanding of the game
>is limited.

It depends on the position.

There are positions when they are above GM strength(for example KRB vs KR when
they have tablebases to say for every position if it is a draw or a win for one
side).

Uri



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