Author: Ed Schröder
Date: 03:19:40 01/16/01
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On January 16, 2001 at 05:21:08, Uri Blass wrote: >On January 16, 2001 at 05:12:12, Ed Schröder wrote: > >>On January 16, 2001 at 01:57:59, Hans Christian Lykke wrote: >> >>>On January 16, 2001 at 00:32:42, Harald Faber wrote: >>> >>>>You can say whatever you want, but this result (and the other auto232 Rebel >>>>Century results) is absolutely nonsense and out of value. >>> >>> >>>You can say whatever you want, but this result (and the other auto232 Rebel >>>>Century results) is absolutely necessery and of great value to make the SSDF-list! >> >>No great value at all. It will only hurt the creditability of your list. >> >>In previous years I already informed SSDF that running Rebel using the >>autoplayer makes no sense because the autoplayer software hurts the real >>playing strength of the program and I adviced the SSDF to test Century 1 >>manually. >> >>As a result Century 1 was not included on the SSDF list. I understand the >>pain of playing manual games and I respected your decision. >> >>With Century 3 the question came again. I told SSDF the same story, pointed >>the the manual that explains about the loss in playing strength and left >>the choice up to SSDF. >> >>It would have been best to follow the same procedure as last year with >>Century 1, that is, test Century 3 manually or don't play the thing at all. >> >>As long as you don't take a producer information serious you can't count >>on peoples sympathy. >> >>If you had taken the time and study Century 3 manual performance versus >>its autoplayer performance it is not so difficult to figure that Century 3 >>rating and place on your list highly doubtful. >> >>Just do your list a favor and take the trouble to play 100 manual games >>and you will be surprised. >> >>Ed > >I think that it may be a good idea to do an automatics analyzis of the games by >rebel century in order to find mistakes that cannot be reproduced. It is not needed. New in Century 3 (being in auto232 mode) is that so now and then the program checks itselfs by doing a 11 ply search (about 10-15 seconds) from the start position. The total number of nodes is checked and if they don't match (they should always match of course) the engine is damaged and an error message is written in the log-file AUTO232.LOG Even if only ONE error would occur that is the ultimate proof the autoplayer software damages Rebel playing strength as suspected since years. The error message "engine damaged" can be found almost without exception in the log-file after each autoplayer session. You can simulate the "engine check" in Century 3 using ALT_F4 in normal play. All of this was told to the SSDF crew on beforehand. Looking at their "you are a bad loser" answer (see this topic) not much has changed during the years. What a pity. Ed >In order to do it it may be possible to write a program that get the moves and >the times and check if the games are possible. > >I assume that rebel is determinstic against computers but you can correct me if >I am wrong. > >Uri
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