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Subject: Re: SSDF(Deep Fritz - Century 3)AMD K6-2 450, 3-1, now 18.5-6.5

Author: James T. Walker

Date: 09:47:31 01/17/01

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On January 16, 2001 at 13:56:56, Hans Christian Lykke wrote:

>On January 16, 2001 at 06:19:40, Ed Schröder wrote:
>
>>On January 16, 2001 at 05:21:08, Uri Blass wrote:
>>
>>>On January 16, 2001 at 05:12:12, Ed Schröder wrote:
>>>
>>>>On January 16, 2001 at 01:57:59, Hans Christian Lykke wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On January 16, 2001 at 00:32:42, Harald Faber wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>You can say whatever you want, but this result (and the other auto232 Rebel
>>>>>>Century results) is absolutely nonsense and out of value.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>You can say whatever you want, but this result (and the other auto232 Rebel
>>>>>>Century results) is absolutely necessery and of great value to make the SSDF-list!
>>>>
>>>>No great value at all. It will only hurt the creditability of your list.
>>>>
>>>>In previous years I already informed SSDF that running Rebel using the
>>>>autoplayer makes no sense because the autoplayer software hurts the real
>>>>playing strength of the program and I adviced the SSDF to test Century 1
>>>>manually.
>>>>
>>>>As a result Century 1 was not included on the SSDF list. I understand the
>>>>pain of playing manual games and I respected your decision.
>>>>
>>>>With Century 3 the question came again. I told SSDF the same story, pointed
>>>>the the manual that explains about the loss in playing strength and left
>>>>the choice up to SSDF.
>>>>
>>>>It would have been best to follow the same procedure as last year with
>>>>Century 1, that is, test Century 3 manually or don't play the thing at all.
>>>>
>>>>As long as you don't take a producer information serious you can't count
>>>>on peoples sympathy.
>>>>
>>>>If you had taken the time and study Century 3 manual performance versus
>>>>its autoplayer performance it is not so difficult to figure that Century 3
>>>>rating and place on your list highly doubtful.
>>>>
>>>>Just do your list a favor and take the trouble to play 100 manual games
>>>>and you will be surprised.
>>>>
>>>>Ed
>>>
>>>I think that it may be a good idea to do an automatics analyzis of the games by
>>>rebel century in order to find mistakes that cannot be reproduced.
>>
>>It is not needed.
>>
>>New in Century 3 (being in auto232 mode) is that so now and then the
>>program checks itselfs by doing a 11 ply search (about 10-15 seconds)
>>from the start position. The total number of nodes is checked and if
>>they don't match (they should always match of course) the engine is
>>damaged and an error message is written in the log-file AUTO232.LOG
>>
>>Even if only ONE error would occur that is the ultimate proof the
>>autoplayer software damages Rebel playing strength as suspected since
>>years.
>>
>>The error message "engine damaged" can be found almost without exception
>>in the log-file after each autoplayer session.
>
>I´ve just checked my auto232.log file
>
>There is nothing else but:   Engine okay!!!!!!!
>
>
>Venlig hilsen
>
>Hans Christian Lykke
>>
>>You can simulate the "engine check" in Century 3 using ALT_F4 in normal
>>play.
>>
>>All of this was told to the SSDF crew on beforehand.
>>
>>Looking at their "you are a bad loser" answer (see this topic) not much
>>has changed during the years. What a pity.
>>
>>Ed
>>
>>
>>
>>>In order to do it it may be possible to write a program that get the moves and
>>>the times and check if the games are possible.
>>>
>>>I assume that rebel is determinstic against computers but you can correct me if
>>>I am wrong.
>>>
>>>Uri

Here is my auto232 log of REbel Century 3.0.  Please take a quick look.
Game   2:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (2919565)

Game   1:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31399)

Game   5:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31352)

Game   1:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31481)

Game   4:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31473)

Game   6:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31481)

Game   8:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31481)

Game  11:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31481)

Game  13:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31473)

Game   3:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31399)

Game   7:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31399)

Game   9:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31399)

Game  11:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31399)

Game  15:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31399)

Game  20:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31399)

Game   2:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31399)

Game   4:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31399)

Game   6:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (30914)

Game   8:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31399)

Game   2:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31399)

Game   5:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31399)

Game   7:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31399)

Game  11:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31399)

Game  13:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (33105)

Game  16:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31399)

Game  18:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (30914)

Game  20:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (30914)

Game  22:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31399)

Game   1:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31399)

Game   4:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (33105)

Game   2:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31399)

Game   6:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (33105)

Game  10:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31399)

Game  12:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31399)

Game   8:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (30914)

Game   1:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31399)

Game   1:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31399)

Game   3:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (30914)

Game   6:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (33105)

Game   8:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31399)

Game   1:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (30914)

Game   3:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (33105)

Game   6:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31399)

Game   1:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31399)

Game   3:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (30891)

Game   6:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31399)

Game   8:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (30891)

Game  10:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (30914)

Game   1:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (33105)

Game   3:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31399)

Game   1:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (32974)

Game   1:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31399)

Game   3:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31399)

Game   1:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31399)

Game   3:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31399)

Game   1:  Engine okay

Game   1:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (2919565)

Game   3:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (2919565)

Game   9:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (2919565)

Game  11:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (2919565)

Game   1:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (2919565)

Game   4:  Engine okay

Game   6:  Engine okay

Game  10:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (1128654)

Game   1:  Engine okay

Game   3:  Engine okay

Game   5:  Engine okay

Game   7:  Engine okay

Game  10:  Engine okay

Game   3:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31399)

Game   6:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (34541)

Game   8:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (32974)

Game  10:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (37319)

Game  14:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (30914)

Game  18:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31399)

Game  20:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (34754)

Game  24:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (34754)

Game  26:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (32974)

Game  30:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (32974)

Game  33:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (30914)

Game   3:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (33105)

Game   5:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (34483)

Game   9:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (33105)

Game  12:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (34754)

Game  15:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (34238)

Game  21:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (34238)

Game  23:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31399)

Game  26:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (34754)

Game  30:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (34754)

Game  32:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (30891)

Game  40:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31399)

Game  44:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (34754)

Game   1:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (34541)

Game   4:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (33105)

Game   9:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (36956)

Game  12:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (34541)

Game  14:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31399)

Game  16:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (34238)

Game  20:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (30914)

Game  22:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (34483)

Game  24:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (30914)

Game   1:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (34238)

Game   1:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (3674867)

Game   4:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (6331824)

Game   6:  Engine okay

Game   2:  Engine okay

Game   4:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (12374071)

Game   1:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (2919565)

Game   1:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31399)

Game   4:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (30914)

Game   7:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31399)

Game  12:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31399)

Game  14:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (33105)

Game  18:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31399)

Game  21:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31399)

Game  23:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31399)

Game   2:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31399)

Game   1:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31399)

Game   1:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (34754)

Game   1:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31399)

Game   1:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (34754)

Game   1:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31399)

Game   1:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (34754)

Game   3:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (34754)

Game   5:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (34754)

Game   7:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (34754)

Game  10:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (34754)

Game  12:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (34754)

Game  14:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (34754)

Game  17:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (34754)

Game  20:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (34754)

Game   2:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (34754)

Game   1:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31399)

Game   3:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31399)

Game   5:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31399)

Game   7:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31399)

Game   9:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31399)

Game  11:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31399)

Game   2:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31399)

Game   1:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31399)

Game   3:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31399)

Game   5:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31399)

Game   7:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31399)

Game   1:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31399)

Game   3:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31399)

Game   5:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31399)

Game   7:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31399)

Game   9:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31399)

Game  11:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31399)

Game   2:  Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31399)




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