Author: James T. Walker
Date: 09:47:31 01/17/01
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On January 16, 2001 at 13:56:56, Hans Christian Lykke wrote: >On January 16, 2001 at 06:19:40, Ed Schröder wrote: > >>On January 16, 2001 at 05:21:08, Uri Blass wrote: >> >>>On January 16, 2001 at 05:12:12, Ed Schröder wrote: >>> >>>>On January 16, 2001 at 01:57:59, Hans Christian Lykke wrote: >>>> >>>>>On January 16, 2001 at 00:32:42, Harald Faber wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>You can say whatever you want, but this result (and the other auto232 Rebel >>>>>>Century results) is absolutely nonsense and out of value. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>You can say whatever you want, but this result (and the other auto232 Rebel >>>>>>Century results) is absolutely necessery and of great value to make the SSDF-list! >>>> >>>>No great value at all. It will only hurt the creditability of your list. >>>> >>>>In previous years I already informed SSDF that running Rebel using the >>>>autoplayer makes no sense because the autoplayer software hurts the real >>>>playing strength of the program and I adviced the SSDF to test Century 1 >>>>manually. >>>> >>>>As a result Century 1 was not included on the SSDF list. I understand the >>>>pain of playing manual games and I respected your decision. >>>> >>>>With Century 3 the question came again. I told SSDF the same story, pointed >>>>the the manual that explains about the loss in playing strength and left >>>>the choice up to SSDF. >>>> >>>>It would have been best to follow the same procedure as last year with >>>>Century 1, that is, test Century 3 manually or don't play the thing at all. >>>> >>>>As long as you don't take a producer information serious you can't count >>>>on peoples sympathy. >>>> >>>>If you had taken the time and study Century 3 manual performance versus >>>>its autoplayer performance it is not so difficult to figure that Century 3 >>>>rating and place on your list highly doubtful. >>>> >>>>Just do your list a favor and take the trouble to play 100 manual games >>>>and you will be surprised. >>>> >>>>Ed >>> >>>I think that it may be a good idea to do an automatics analyzis of the games by >>>rebel century in order to find mistakes that cannot be reproduced. >> >>It is not needed. >> >>New in Century 3 (being in auto232 mode) is that so now and then the >>program checks itselfs by doing a 11 ply search (about 10-15 seconds) >>from the start position. The total number of nodes is checked and if >>they don't match (they should always match of course) the engine is >>damaged and an error message is written in the log-file AUTO232.LOG >> >>Even if only ONE error would occur that is the ultimate proof the >>autoplayer software damages Rebel playing strength as suspected since >>years. >> >>The error message "engine damaged" can be found almost without exception >>in the log-file after each autoplayer session. > >I´ve just checked my auto232.log file > >There is nothing else but: Engine okay!!!!!!! > > >Venlig hilsen > >Hans Christian Lykke >> >>You can simulate the "engine check" in Century 3 using ALT_F4 in normal >>play. >> >>All of this was told to the SSDF crew on beforehand. >> >>Looking at their "you are a bad loser" answer (see this topic) not much >>has changed during the years. What a pity. >> >>Ed >> >> >> >>>In order to do it it may be possible to write a program that get the moves and >>>the times and check if the games are possible. >>> >>>I assume that rebel is determinstic against computers but you can correct me if >>>I am wrong. >>> >>>Uri Here is my auto232 log of REbel Century 3.0. Please take a quick look. Game 2: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (2919565) Game 1: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31399) Game 5: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31352) Game 1: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31481) Game 4: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31473) Game 6: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31481) Game 8: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31481) Game 11: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31481) Game 13: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31473) Game 3: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31399) Game 7: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31399) Game 9: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31399) Game 11: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31399) Game 15: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31399) Game 20: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31399) Game 2: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31399) Game 4: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31399) Game 6: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (30914) Game 8: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31399) Game 2: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31399) Game 5: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31399) Game 7: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31399) Game 11: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31399) Game 13: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (33105) Game 16: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31399) Game 18: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (30914) Game 20: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (30914) Game 22: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31399) Game 1: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31399) Game 4: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (33105) Game 2: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31399) Game 6: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (33105) Game 10: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31399) Game 12: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31399) Game 8: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (30914) Game 1: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31399) Game 1: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31399) Game 3: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (30914) Game 6: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (33105) Game 8: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31399) Game 1: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (30914) Game 3: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (33105) Game 6: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31399) Game 1: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31399) Game 3: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (30891) Game 6: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31399) Game 8: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (30891) Game 10: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (30914) Game 1: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (33105) Game 3: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31399) Game 1: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (32974) Game 1: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31399) Game 3: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31399) Game 1: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31399) Game 3: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31399) Game 1: Engine okay Game 1: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (2919565) Game 3: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (2919565) Game 9: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (2919565) Game 11: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (2919565) Game 1: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (2919565) Game 4: Engine okay Game 6: Engine okay Game 10: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (1128654) Game 1: Engine okay Game 3: Engine okay Game 5: Engine okay Game 7: Engine okay Game 10: Engine okay Game 3: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31399) Game 6: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (34541) Game 8: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (32974) Game 10: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (37319) Game 14: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (30914) Game 18: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31399) Game 20: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (34754) Game 24: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (34754) Game 26: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (32974) Game 30: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (32974) Game 33: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (30914) Game 3: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (33105) Game 5: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (34483) Game 9: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (33105) Game 12: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (34754) Game 15: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (34238) Game 21: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (34238) Game 23: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31399) Game 26: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (34754) Game 30: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (34754) Game 32: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (30891) Game 40: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31399) Game 44: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (34754) Game 1: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (34541) Game 4: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (33105) Game 9: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (36956) Game 12: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (34541) Game 14: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31399) Game 16: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (34238) Game 20: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (30914) Game 22: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (34483) Game 24: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (30914) Game 1: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (34238) Game 1: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (3674867) Game 4: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (6331824) Game 6: Engine okay Game 2: Engine okay Game 4: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (12374071) Game 1: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (2919565) Game 1: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31399) Game 4: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (30914) Game 7: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31399) Game 12: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31399) Game 14: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (33105) Game 18: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31399) Game 21: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31399) Game 23: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31399) Game 2: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31399) Game 1: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31399) Game 1: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (34754) Game 1: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31399) Game 1: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (34754) Game 1: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31399) Game 1: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (34754) Game 3: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (34754) Game 5: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (34754) Game 7: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (34754) Game 10: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (34754) Game 12: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (34754) Game 14: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (34754) Game 17: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (34754) Game 20: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (34754) Game 2: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (34754) Game 1: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31399) Game 3: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31399) Game 5: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31399) Game 7: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31399) Game 9: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31399) Game 11: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31399) Game 2: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31399) Game 1: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31399) Game 3: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31399) Game 5: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31399) Game 7: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31399) Game 1: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31399) Game 3: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31399) Game 5: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31399) Game 7: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31399) Game 9: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31399) Game 11: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31399) Game 2: Engine DAMAGED (!!) (31399)
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