Author: Tony Hedlund
Date: 11:42:15 01/17/01
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On January 17, 2001 at 04:22:18, Ed Schröder wrote: >On January 17, 2001 at 02:09:13, Garry Evans wrote: > >>On January 16, 2001 at 12:35:20, Ed Schröder wrote: >> >>>On January 16, 2001 at 09:06:45, Jari Kylmälä wrote: >>> >>>>On January 16, 2001 at 06:19:40, Ed Schröder wrote: >>>> >>>>>New in Century 3 (being in auto232 mode) is that so now and then the >>>>>program checks itselfs by doing a 11 ply search (about 10-15 seconds) >>>>>from the start position. The total number of nodes is checked and if >>>>>they don't match (they should always match of course) the engine is >>>>>damaged and an error message is written in the log-file AUTO232.LOG >>>>> >>>>>Even if only ONE error would occur that is the ultimate proof the >>>>>autoplayer software damages Rebel playing strength as suspected since >>>>>years. >>>>> >>>>>The error message "engine damaged" can be found almost without exception >>>>>in the log-file after each autoplayer session. >>>>> >>>> >>>>How is this actually possible? Century or AUTO232 has a memory flaw and >>>>somehow AUTO232 is writing somewhere in the memory which should be >>>>allocated by Century? I don't have AUTO232 myself so I don't fully >>>>know how it's functioning or the protocol/interface it uses but this sounds >>>>very strange to me. >>> >>>Yes it is strange. The suspect is indeed the driver writes outside its >>>own memory. I have asked for the source code of the driver but it is not >>>available anymore. >>> >>>The other possibility Rebel hurts itself is very unlikely. Playing hundreds >>>of engine-engine games never returns the the error message. >>> >>>Ed >>> >>> >>>>-- >>>>Jari >> >> >> >> >> >> Actually I was very surprised at the SSDF result of rebel Century vs Fritz, My >>Buddy and I played a 20 game match, I have a 750 using Century 3 and My Friend >>has A Thunderbird 1000, the games were played manually , Century slaughtered >>Fritz 13-7 !!! and he had the much faster hardware! > >It has been reported to me by almost all people who still take the time to >play manual games that the results of Rebel differ significant playing >manual or auto232. It is just a confirmation of what I suspected first, now >proven by the introduction of the log-file. Also almost all manual events >Rebel participated (manually) till now have been successful with the exception >of the "Thueringen" tournament. But then in this tournament Rebel played with >an untested personality and also in some games the "Playing Style" was set >to "defensive" which is a disaster. > >Rebel Century 3 (manual) results (without Thueringen) are listed on: > >http://www.rebel.nl/r11-resu.htm > > >Most German testers got the message and if they include Rebel in a tournament >Rebel's games are played manually and I am most thankful for that. > >>Something is definitely >>wrong with ssdf testing. > >The SSDF people do a fine job only that they should start to believe producers >when they put something in the manual instead of calling them bad losers. But >apparently producers are all liars looking for poor excuses if their baby does >not perform well on their list. They don't even ask themselves the possibilty >if they (maybe) could be wrong in their judgement. > >Ed I have a similar auto232.log file that James Walker show us. And we do believe *you* (not what every producer put in there manual) that auto232 can hurt Century 3's performance. As Thoralf stated in his comments to the latest list. And if it hurt so bad as this match indicates, we might have taken a wrong decision. But did we/you know how much the autoplayer software damages Rebel playing strength? Tony
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