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Subject: Re: Crafty 18.01 move notation change

Author: Dann Corbit

Date: 20:31:14 01/17/01

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On January 17, 2001 at 16:10:27, Wayde Beasley wrote:
>On January 16, 2001 at 09:32:55, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>On January 16, 2001 at 07:41:48, Jason Williamson wrote:
>>
>>>On January 15, 2001 at 10:19:21, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>
>>>>On January 14, 2001 at 23:08:33, Wayde Beasley wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>It appears to me that Crafty 18.01 now posts moves to xboard in the short
>>>>>algebraic notation rather than coordinate notation like crafty 17.14
>>>>>
>>>>>Is this an intended change?  Is there a tweak to make 18.01 go back to plain 'ol
>>>>>"move d7d5"
>>>>>
>>>>>thx
>>>
>>>>SAN is now _the_ way output is displayed, since xboard/winboard now support
>>>>this.  I never liked e2e4 and such nonsense, but included it to be compatible
>>>>with xboard.  That is no longer needed.
>>>>
>>>>I'm not sure why you would want to "go back" to the broken form of output,
>>>>particularly when you don't see it..
>>>
>>>
>>>simple it breaks the chessmaster connectivity.  :)
>>
>>
>>I would assume it is trivial to make Chessmaster handle SAN, since it supposedly
>>handles PGN just fine.  And PGN uses SAN...
>
>
>I can think of NO reason to change the code for sending moves to the GUI.  This
>is not end-user stuff.

For human understanding when debugging it.

>All it does is break connectivity with everything except
>Winboard.

When that is the only thing it is designed to work with, I don't see too big of
a problem.  Use crafty 17.14 if you don't want the new capability.  In the
meanime, those who copy the Winboard interface will add this simple step.

> What's the REAL point of this change?  Why not facilitate the
>Chessmaster GUI users?

Chessmaster Winboard interface is brand new.  I am quite sure that Dr. Hyatt
does not use Chessmaster, since he runs exclusively on Unix flavors.

>Why did you go to the extra trouble of tinkering with
>that part of the Crafty code?

To match the new specification for Winboard engines proposed by Tim Mann.

> It seems absolutely pointless.

Not to me or to any other programmers.  The nightmare of possible move sequences
given to Winboard should be abolished and nothing but SAN accepted.

> But, hell, it's
>your program right?  And you can do what you want with it.  Just wish Crafty
>would stick standards instead apparently trying to deliberately break
>connectivity with non-Tim Mann programs like Chessmaster.

The standard is exactly what Crafty is adhering to.  Tim Mann is the author and
the owner of the standard.  It is exactly adherence to this standard that you
are complaining about.



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