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Subject: Re: Thanks. I think 16.Nd3+ is the best move

Author: Aaron Tay

Date: 20:45:59 01/17/01

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On January 17, 2001 at 03:22:11, Uri Blass wrote:

>On January 16, 2001 at 19:21:11, Eduard Nemeth wrote:
>
>>On January 16, 2001 at 16:59:55, Pete Galati wrote:
>>
>>>On January 16, 2001 at 15:06:10, Eduard Nemeth wrote:
>>>
>>>>Morozevich played strong 16...Nd3+!
>>>>
>>>>What chess program played this move ?
>>>>
>>>>[Event "Corus Wijk aan Zee NED "]
>>>>[Site "?"]
>>>>[Date "2001.??.??"]
>>>>[Round "3"]
>>>>[White "Van Wely,L"]
>>>>[Black "Morozevich,A"]
>>>>[WhiteElo "2700"]
>>>>[BlackElo "2745"]
>>>>[ECO "D16"]
>>>>[Result "0-1"]
>>>>
>>>>1. d4 d5 2. c4 c6 3. Nf3 Nf6 4. Nc3 dxc4 5. a4 c5 6. d5 Bf5
>>>>7. e3 e6 8. Bxc4 exd5 9. Nxd5 Nc6 10. Qb3 Qd7 11. Nxf6+
>>>>gxf6 12. Bd2 Rg8 13. Bc3 O-O-O 14. Bxf7 Rxg2 15. Nh4 Ne5
>>>>16. Nxf5 Nd3+ 17. Kf1 Rxf2+ 18. Kg1 Kb8 19. Qe6 Rxf5 20. h4
>>>>Bd6 21. Rf1 Rg8+ 0-1
>>>>
>>>>FEN:
>>>>
>>>>[D]2kr1b2/pp1q1B1p/5p2/2p1nN2/P7/1QB1P3/1P3PrP/R3K2R b KQ - 0 16
>>>>
>>>>Eduard
>>>
>>>Dos Comet running in the background liked Nd3+ for a while, then after 21
>>>minutes changed it's mind to Nxf7.
>>>
>>>Pete
>>>
>>>Comet-B.28    Tue Jan 16 14:50:01 2001
>>>
>>>depth	score	  sec	  nodes		  pv
>>> 1.	+1.49	    0	     1321	 d7f5
>>> 2.	-0.24	    0	     2907	 e5f7  b3c2
>>> 3.	+1.21	    0	    14958	 e5d3  e1f1  g2f2  f1g1  f2f5  f7e6  f5g5
>>> 4.	+1.16	    0	    46744	 e5d3  e1f1  g2f2  f1g1  f2f5  f7e6  f5g5
>>> 4.	+1.16	    0	   187435	 e5d3  e1f1  g2f2  f1g1  f2f5  f7e6  f5g5
>>> 5.	+1.16	    0	   258382	 e5d3  e1f1  g2f2  f1g1
>>> 5.	+1.16	    1	   496322	 e5d3  e1f1  g2f2  f1g1
>>> 6?	+1.02	    2	   788119	 e5d3  e1f1  g2f2  f1g1  d7f7  b3f7  f2f5
>>> 6?	+0.75	   88	  2086889	 e5d3  e1f1  d7f7  b3f7  d3f2
>>> 6?	+0.48	   93	  3053682	 e5d3  e1f1  d7f7  b3f7  d3f2
>>> 6?	+0.21	   96	  3878702	 e5d3  e1f1  d7f7  b3f7  d3f2
>>> 6.	+0.00	  100	  4672894	 e5d3  e1f1  g2f2  f1g1  f2f5  f7e6  f5g5
>>> 6.	+0.00	 1260	  5209069	 e5d3  e1f1  g2f2  f1g1  f2f5  f7e6  f5g5
>>> 7.	+0.00	 1263	  5873499	 e5d3  e1f1  g2f2  f1g1  f2f5  f7e6  f5g5
>>> 7!	+0.13	 1264	  6070317	 e5f7  f5h4  g2g5  b3b7  d7b7  c3f6
>>> 7!	+0.40	 1265	  6275782	 e5f7  b3f7  d7f7  c3f6
>>> 7!	+0.67	 1266	  6632664	 e5f7  b3f7  d7f7  c3f6
>>> 7?	+0.67	 1267	  6651861	 e5f7  b3c2  d7c6
>>> 7.	+0.67	 1275	  8573444	 e5f7  b3c2  d7c6
>>> 8?	+0.53	 1276	  8785395	 e5f7  f5h4  g2g4  h4f3  f7e5  f3e5  f6e5
>>> 8.	+0.46	 2248	 17976936	 e5f7  f5h4  g2g4  h4f3  d7c6  b3f7  c6f3
>>> 8.	+0.46	 2268	 22600003	 e5f7  f5h4  g2g4  h4f3  d7c6  b3f7  c6f3
>>> 9!	+0.59	 2277	 24372582	 e5f7  f5h4  g2g4  h4f3  d7c6  b3b7  c6b7
>>> 9.	+0.69	 3557	 26492877	 e5f7  b3c2  f7e5  c3e5  f6e5  f5h4  g2g5
>>> 9.	+0.69	 3616	 30417017	 e5f7  b3c2  f7e5  c3e5  f6e5  f5h4  g2g5
>>>
>>>==> My Move: e5f7 in 60:16
>>
>>Hello!
>>
>>Thanks, too all my programs don't find this move 16.Nd3+! in 30 minutes. :)
>
>Deep Fritz found Nd3+ after 35 minutes and 44 seconds on p800 with 64 Mbytes
>hash tables(I used the pentium o read posts in this club at the same time so it
>could be slightly faster) so I guess that better hardware is the solution for
>the problem(I guess that p1000 is enough).
>
>Uri

A candiate for your proposed computer test suite? Presumably, all top programs
will eventually converge to the answer given time..
So perhaps this problem is too simple?

But personally i feel such a test suite would be not very useful, for comparing
programs over time espically if you use newer hardware.In the future, Fritz8?
for example might find the solution to the above problem under 3 minutes, but is
this improvement due to hardware improvement or the strenght of the program?

Perhaps a fairer test would be to take into account computer speed, Node/s or
whatever?






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