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Subject: CM8000 Game Analysis Print Question for J Merlino

Author: Stephen A. Boak

Date: 22:13:11 01/17/01

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On January 15, 2001 at 02:06:50, Stephen A. Boak wrote:

>On January 14, 2001 at 15:54:05, John Merlino wrote:
>
>>On January 14, 2001 at 15:51:18, Stephen A. Boak wrote:
>>
>>>In CM8000, I created two custom personalities--Chessmaster#64 and
>>>Chessmaster#128, with the only difference from the default Chessmaster
>>>personality being the increased hashtable sizes (64MB and 128MB respectively).
>>>
>>>Under new game, I selected Chessmaster#64 as the personality for both sides.
>>>
>>>I then loaded a pgn file from my OTB tournament game.
>>>
>>>I selected Game Analysis, 180 sec/move.
>>>
>>>1. Will the game analysis use the increased hashtable size for the
>>>Chessmaster#64 personality?
>>>
>>>2. How can I tell?
>>>
>>>I'm running such an analysis right now, for the next 4 hours or so.
>>>
>>>3. Will the analysis personality be noted in the output of the game analysis,
>>>with the annotations?
>>>
>>>4. Am I able to analyze games (auto-annotated 'overnight') using my custom
>>>personality settings?
>>>
>>>5. If the above method is not correct, I'd like to know the proper one.
>>>
>>>Thanks in advance,
>>>
>>>--Steve
>>
>>The default Chessmaster personality is always used for analysis and advice.
>>There is no way to modify this.
>>
>>jm
>
>SUGGESTIONS:  Need a way to readily increase the hashtable size (and also allow
>any other desired parameter adjustments) for:
>
>1. Thinking Lines (continuous analysis), and
>2. Game Analysis (especially this!)
>
>The altered HT size and other parameter changes should be reflected at the top
>of the Thinking Lines window or the Game Analysis output--if by using a custom
>personality, simply indicating the name of personality that is in use would be
>satisfactory.
>
>The unofficial method of substituting a custom personality for the default
>Chessmaster personality (see other poster, below) sounds like it would work, but
>it would be cumbersome, and subject to accidental loss of the original default
>parameters under some circumstances.  And if the output didn't note in some way
>the changed parameters, it would be possible to produce non-default analysis
>without knowing/remembering the switch, or whether it had been resored to the
>default.
>
>RATIONALE:  My favorite use of a chess program is to do 'overnight' analysis
>when sleeping or at work, giving as many seconds per move as possible to the
>engine.  This is to obtain the strongest possible analysis within the available
>total time.  The ability to do game analysis for many seconds per move is great,
>but the hash table limitation means it is 'crippled' to some degree, when RAM is
>available.
>
>Also, there are some positions where I want to see the program analyze by
>seeking or avoiding a draw (where the draw parameter is strongly altered, one
>way or the other).  It would be wonderful to be able to adjust this parameter
>and analyze on the fly (Thinking Lines) as well as overnight (Game Analysis).
>
>Thanks for considering these points in some future update or revision.
>
>--Steve

I have run a few of my tournament games through CM8000 Game Analysis, overnight,
and saved the .CMG file with the move by move analysis and variations.

Is there a way to print that analysis for a whole game?

With CM6000 I was able to select Copy, Move List w/Tabs, Auto-Annotation (or
Analysis) menu choices and then paste the data into Wordpad.  With CM8000 this
method doesn't seem to work (only the Move List is copied!)

There is no Print Game Analysis selection, or equivalent, that I can find in the
menus or in the Help manual.

If there is no way, then I would like to add another suggestion to the above
posting of mine:

CM8000 SUGGESTION #2:

1. Need a means of printing both Auto-Annotation and/or Analysis (Move List
w/Tabs), whether by a Copy and Paste or Print menu item.

I study the analysis while away from the computer, often over a real chess set,
and I often incorporate my hand-written hardcopy comments back into the text
file using a word processor such as Wordpad or Word.

Hopefully this PRINT capability will be in the patch to be released, since it is
important to have a method of printing out analysis variations for closer study
(and hand marking).  I was sorry to see that this feature 'disappeared' for some
reason in the new CM8000 version.

BTW, thanks for the free CM8000 copy your team sent me after I helped rate the
included personalities.

I am now looking forward to the upcoming patch, which will greatly improve the
utility of the program to me and many other users.


Thanks,
    --Steve








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