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Subject: Re: itanium

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 06:03:15 01/19/01

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On January 19, 2001 at 01:05:56, Eugene Nalimov wrote:

>On January 18, 2001 at 23:58:00, Ricardo Gibert wrote:
>
>>On January 18, 2001 at 15:14:05, Eugene Nalimov wrote:
>>
>>>On January 18, 2001 at 11:55:29, Ricardo Gibert wrote:
>>>
>>>>On January 17, 2001 at 23:21:19, Dann Corbit wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On January 17, 2001 at 22:52:22, David Wilke wrote:
>>>>>>On January 17, 2001 at 17:59:25, Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On January 17, 2001 at 17:47:34, John Dahlem wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Are these new 64 bit processors just for servers, or are they going to replace
>>>>>>>>32 bit processors within 1-3 years?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Pretty much any new processor Intel introduced was aimed
>>>>>>>at 'servers only' in the beginning. However, home users
>>>>>>>always want the latest and the fastest so no doubt they
>>>>>>>will be on the desktop soon...Unless the price is really
>>>>>>>outrageous.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>--
>>>>>>>GCP
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Intel has outragous prices? Say it isn't so... :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Intel is going to lose the processor war. Athlon can easily compete, and is the
>>>>>>cheaper solution. Someone should wake up the marketing idiots at Intel and get
>>>>>>them on the ball.
>>>>>
>>>>>Athlon does not compete with Itanium.  There is no VLM model with Athlon.  The
>>>>>direct competition for Itanium is Compaq's Alpha chip.
>>>>>
>>>>>If you have some database that needs 12 gigabytes of physical ram and 100 TB of
>>>>>virtual memory, how will you address information with Athlon?  It is outside of
>>>>>the address space.
>>>>
>>>>Only a small part of the server market needs this I would think. I don't believe
>>>>you can conclude "Athlon does not compete with itanium" from this.
>>>
>>>Yes, 95% of servers are small ones. But people who choose hardware/spftware
>>>combinations hope that one day their company will grow, and they will have to
>>>process huse amount of data. So they are choosing scalable solutions, even if
>>>95% of them will never use that scalability.
>>>
>>>Eugene
>>
>>Buying an itanium for its VLM is going way overboard even for them.
>
>Maybe, but they will do this. A lot of startups bought Suns instead of Intel
>machines because they hped that one day they'll need all that scalability. And
>Suns (till recently) were more several times more expensive than comparable x86.
>
>Eugene

Yes... but unfortunately they have always been several times _slower_ as
well.  :(  Suns are simply not viable.


>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>The 64 bit address space and 64 bit native operations are unique to those two
>>>>>(and a smattering of other chips that nobody will ever care about).



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