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Subject: Re: If you like to find a mate...

Author: Pete Galati

Date: 06:24:38 01/19/01

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On January 19, 2001 at 02:54:48, Ricardo Gibert wrote:

>On January 18, 2001 at 23:03:46, Pete Galati wrote:
>
>>On January 18, 2001 at 22:21:05, leonid wrote:
>>
>>>On January 18, 2001 at 22:06:37, leonid wrote:
>>>
>>>>On January 18, 2001 at 19:13:22, Paul wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On January 18, 2001 at 19:01:08, Pete Galati wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On January 18, 2001 at 18:44:05, leonid wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hi!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>If you would like to find a mate here is one position. It is very easy to solve
>>>>>>>but not that simple to find shortest mate.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I failed here even in 3 hours to find shortest mate through brute force search.
>>>>>>>Maybe you will have better chance.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1k4q1/1pppPr2/PbbP1N1n/QP2rn1R/1q6/1q2RBB1/q1q2PPP/6NK black to go
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Leonid.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Is this the right position?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>[D]1k4q1/1pppPr2/PbbP1N1n/QP2rn1R/1q6/1q2RBB1/q1q2PPP/6NK b - - 0 1
>>>>>
>>>>>If so, then mine says it's a mate in 10 for black starting with Nxg3+ ...
>>>>>It looks like a daily reverse auction ... Anyone lower, anyone? :)
>>>>>
>>>>>Paul
>>>>
>>>>Position is exact and response 10 moves must be or shortest possible, or very
>>>>close move. Actually my program solved this position through selective search in
>>>>11 moves. Solution was instant. Finding shortest mate is the other story.
>>>>Through brute force program said in 8 mate is not there. Only 9 still could be
>>>>looked.
>>>
>>>
>>>Mistake! My program solved this position not by 11 moves selective search but by
>>>10. Found this when I went to program and solved this position once again. My
>>>mistake came probably from the fact that I created today around 5 or 6 different
>>>positions. Few of them were solved by 12 and 11 moves. Only one, that I liked
>>>the most, I put here.
>>>
>>>Leonid.
>>
>>I thought for a minute that the Chessbase native version of Comet had done it in
>>9 moves, but I was thinking, how could this be, but I took a closer look, and
>>what Comet was calling 9 moves was 10 moves to everyone else.  Oh well.
>
>Perhaps if Black had another queen(!), then he could mate in 9 ;-)

Yeah, I'm not sure where these positions come from.  Some of them are just too
improbable/impossible, but for some reason sometime it's fun to have Chess
programs crunch numbers, it's better than giving them bubble wrap to pop.

Pete

>
>>
>>1...Nxg3+ 2.hxg3 Rxh5+ 3.Nxh5 Qh4+ 4.gxh4 Qxg2+ 5.Bxg2 Bxg2+ 6.Kh2 Ng4+ 7.Kg3
>>Qxe3+ 8.fxe3 Qf2+ 9.Kxg4 Qe6+ 10.Kg5 Qff5#
>>  -+  (-#9)   Depth: 8/37   00:12:17  187568kN
>>
>>(Galati, ` 18.01.2001)
>>
>>Pete



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