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Subject: Re: No no i don´t mean 17.Nc6.That´s not my intention.Sorry.

Author: Thomas Lagershausen

Date: 02:59:58 01/20/01

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>>>>In the following game white has a winning knightsacrifice after the important
>>>>pawnmoves 15.b4! and 16.b5!.Is a program able to find the plan?
>>>>
>>>>[Event "40/120"]
>>>>[Site "?"]
>>>>[Date "1992.11.25"]
>>>>[Round "4"]
>>>>[White "Lagershausen"]
>>>>[Black "Fidelity Avantgard#6"]
>>>>[ECO "A21"]
>>>>[Result "1-0"]
>>>>
>>>>1. c4 e5 2. Nc3 Nc6 3. Nf3 d6 4. d4 Bg4 5. d5 Nce7 6. e4
>>>>Ng6 7. Be2 Nf4 8. Bxf4 exf4 9. Nd4 Bd7 10. Bg4 Ne7 11. O-O
>>>>Qc8 12. Bxd7+ Qxd7 13. Qb3 O-O-O 14. Qa3 Kb8 15. b4 g6
>>>>16. b5 Bg7 17. Nc6+ bxc6 18. bxc6 Nxc6 19. Rab1+ Ka8
>>>>20. Nb5 Bd4 21. dxc6 Qxc6 22. Nxd4 Qd7 23. Qa6 c5 24. Nb5
>>>>Rb8 25. Nc3 f5 26. Nd5 fxe4 27. Nb6+ Rxb6 28. Rxb6 Qc8
>>>>29. Qa4 Qe8 30. Qxe8+ Rxe8 31. Rxd6 1-0
>>>>
>>>>Greetings
>>>>Thomas
>>>
>>>
>>>Takes my program 25 seconds to find this move.  I suspect others will be
>>>even faster:
>>
>>The question is how long takes your programe to find the strong moves 15.b4! and
>>16.b5!.That was my question.
>
>OK...  Crafty will play b4 in reasonable time.  IE 30 seconds or so on my
>quad.  It doesn't play b5 automatically as there are other moves that lead to
>the same theme and it might be that after b5, Bg7 isn't the best reply.  Crafty
>wants to play b4 and c5 for example... rather than b4 and b5...

16.b5! is much stronger than 16.c5.There is no other defence against 17.Nc6.
For example 16..Ka8 see this:

>>>Crafty would pick b4 on a fast machine at tournament time controls:>>
>>But he fails to find the right intention of 15.b4.To have the winning sacrifice
>>17.Nc6+ white needs to play 16.b5 to open the b-file and have a pawn on c6.After
>>the best defence 16..Ka8! white improves his position with Rab1 and the idear
>>Rb4 and Ra4.>>Maybe i have a shorter win for white after 16..Ka8!
>Here is the analysis by Yace 0.99:
>  6.01	 0:00 	+0.66 	17.Sce2 Lg7 18.Df3 Lxd4 19.Sxd4 g5 20.Dh5 f6 21.Df7
>(156.381) 212.4
>  7.01	 0:01 	+0.66 	17.Sce2 Lg7 18.Df3 Lxd4 19.Sxd4 g5 20.Dh5 f6 21.Df7
>(220.841) 209.3
>  7.38	 0:01 	+0.66 	17.Sce2 Lg7 18.Df3 Lxd4 19.Sxd4 g5 20.Dh5 f6 21.Df7
>(361.188) 226.7
>  8.01	 0:02 	+0.64 	17.Sce2 Lg7 18.Df3 Le5 19.Tad1 g5 20.Td3 g4 (528.731) 230.7
>  8.38	 0:03 	+0.64 	17.Sce2 Lg7 18.Df3 Le5 19.Tad1 g5 20.Td3 g4 (949.688) 242.4
>  9.01	 0:07 	+0.64 	17.Sce2 Lg7 18.Df3 Le5 19.Tad1 g5 20.Dd3 g4 21.Tfe1
>(1.794.762) 237.5
>  9.38	 0:13 	+0.64 	17.Sce2 Lg7 18.Df3 Le5 19.Tad1 g5 20.Dd3 g4 21.Tfe1
>(3.454.966) 257.8
> 10.01	 0:24 	+0.67 	17.Sce2 Lg7 18.Df3 Le5 19.Tad1 g5 20.Dh5 Lxd4 21.Sxd4 f6
>22.Df7 (5.970.095) 246.3
> 10.15	 0:38 	+0.68++ 	17.Sc6 Sxc6 18.bxc6 bxc6 19.Da6 cxd5 20.Tab1 c6 21.Sa4
>Tb8 22.Txb8+ Kxb8 23.Tb1+ Db7 24.Txb7+ Ka8 (9.804.654) 251.6
> 10.15	 0:41 	+1.04++ 	17.Sc6 Sxc6 18.bxc6 bxc6 19.Da6 cxd5 20.Tab1 c6 21.Sa4
>Tb8 22.Txb8+ Kxb8 23.Tb1+ Db7 24.Txb7+ Ka8 (10.373.319) 250.9
> 10.01	 0:43 	+0.94 	17.Sc6 Sxc6 18.bxc6 bxc6 19.Da6 Lg7 20.dxc6 Dc8 21.Sb5 Db8
>22.Da5 Tc8 23.Tab1 (10.839.242) 251.7
> 10.38	 0:46 	+0.94 	17.Sc6 Sxc6 18.bxc6 bxc6 19.Da6 Lg7 20.dxc6 Dc8 21.Sb5 Db8
>22.Da5 Tc8 23.Tab1 (11.726.756) 250.6
> 11.01	 0:55 	+1.34++ 	17.Sc6 Sxc6 18.bxc6 bxc6 19.Da6 Lg7 20.Tab1 Tb8 21.dxc6
>Dc8 22.Sb5 Dd7 23.cxd7 Tbg8 (13.992.009) 253.3
> 11.01	 1:26 	+1.87 	17.Sc6 bxc6 18.bxc6 Sxc6 19.Sb5 Dc8 20.dxc6 Db8 21.Da5 Tc8
>22.Tab1 Db6 23.Dc3 Le7 24.Sxd6 (21.625.897) 251.2
> 11.38	 1:31 	+1.87 	17.Sc6 bxc6 18.bxc6 Sxc6 19.Sb5 Dc8 20.dxc6 Db8 21.Da5 Tc8
>22.Tab1 Db6 23.Dc3 Le7 24.Sxd6 (23.344.728) 253.9
> 12.01	 2:11 	+2.27++ 	17.Sc6 bxc6 18.bxc6 Sxc6 19.Sb5 Dc8 20.dxc6 Db8 21.Tab1
>Db6 22.Sxc7+ Dxc7 23.Tb7 Dxb7 24.cxb7+ Kb8 (32.493.457) 246.9
> 12.01	 2:46 	+2.81 	17.Sc6 Sxc6 18.bxc6 bxc6 19.Tab1 Lg7 20.Da6 Tb8 21.dxc6 Dc8
>22.Sb5 Txb5 23.Dxb5 a6 24.Db7+ Dxb7 25.cxb7+ Kb8 26.Tfd1 (41.679.848) 250.7
> 12.38	 2:54 	+2.81 	17.Sc6 Sxc6 18.bxc6 bxc6 19.Tab1 Lg7 20.Da6 Tb8 21.dxc6 Dc8
>22.Sb5 Txb5 23.Dxb5 a6 24.Db7+ Dxb7 25.cxb7+ Kb8 26.Tfd1 (44.381.954) 254.3
> 13.01	 4:05 	+2.70 	17.Sc6 Sxc6 18.bxc6 bxc6 19.Tab1 Lg7 20.Da6 Tb8 21.dxc6 Dc8
>22.Sb5 Txb5 23.Dxb5 a6 24.Db7+ Dxb7 25.cxb7+ Kb8 26.Tfd1 Te8 (63.900.011) 259.8
> 13.38	 4:37 	+2.70 	17.Sc6 Sxc6 18.bxc6 bxc6 19.Tab1 Lg7 20.Da6 Tb8 21.dxc6 Dc8
>22.Sb5 Txb5 23.Dxb5 a6 24.Db7+ Dxb7 25.cxb7+ Kb8 26.Tfd1 Te8 (73.712.149) 265.5

So 16.b5! is the real winner.



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