Author: Albert Silver
Date: 06:51:12 01/24/01
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On January 24, 2001 at 08:55:26, Uri Blass wrote:
>On January 24, 2001 at 08:12:27, Albert Silver wrote:
>
>>On January 23, 2001 at 22:48:59, Uri Blass wrote:
>>
>>>On January 23, 2001 at 18:30:55, Albert Silver wrote:
>>>
>>>>On January 23, 2001 at 14:59:51, Uri Blass wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On January 23, 2001 at 13:35:56, Gustavo Pereira wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On January 22, 2001 at 15:41:38, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On January 22, 2001 at 02:43:26, Timothy J. Frohlick wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Dear CCC,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Now if Deep Fritz or Deep Junior or Chess Tiger will run on the 132 processor
>>>>>>>>AMD computer that would be awesome. Gee, I wonder how many watts it would take.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hi, this is not a shared memory computer, so it's very unlikely any
>>>>>>>of the above programs will run on it. At the moment no program will
>>>>>>>run at this 'supercomputer'.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Note it doesn't mention the communication speed of this computer,
>>>>>>>which is weird. Nearly any supercomputer has directly with it
>>>>>>>information on what speed the network is.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Note in case of chess tiger i doubt whether the programmer is interested
>>>>>>>or has the talent to make it multiprocessor capable.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Greetings,
>>>>>>>Vincent
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>http://www.techweb.com/wire/story/TWB20010119S0018
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Tim Frohlick
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I've grown tired of reading messages by Vincent where he deliberately attacks
>>>>>>another person without any sound basis.
>>>>>>You should cut it, Vincent!
>>>>>>Stop insulting other people!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Vincent used the words or and doubt.
>>>>>He did not say that Christophe does not have the talent.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>If the target was to insult then he could say:
>>>>>"I am sure that christophe does not have the talent to make it multiprocessor
>>>>>capable"
>>>>>
>>>>>He did not say it.
>>>>
>>>>True, but the verb 'to doubt' expresses a negative belief, not a neutral one. If
>>>>he had wanted to say he did not know, he would have said it. When he says he
>>>>doubts he (Christophe) has the talent, he is not expressing a disbelief in
>>>>Christophe's knowledge of writing an SMP-suited program but in his ability to
>>>>ever dominate that knowledge.
>>>
>>>He did not say exactly that he doubt that christophe has the talent but that he
>>>doubt if he has the interest or the talent.
>>>
>>>He did not express an opinion if the problem is not having the interest or not
>>>having the talent.
>>>
>>>Uri
>>
>>Don't get me wrong Uri, I like Vincent. I think he tends to go overboard at
>>times, in particular with his squabbles with Christophe, but he is usually very
>>generous with his knowledge, and his atypical style of writing makes him funny
>>to read at times also. Still, the 'or' really doesn't suddenly make his
>>statement any less of an opinion. The 'or' _adds_ an item to the list of things
>>he doubts C. has. He isn't saying C's talent for writing SMP capable programs
>>depends on the interest. In fact I don't see how that could ever be interpreted
>>that way frankly.
>
>He said that he doubt a or b and not that he doubt a and b.
>
>There is a difference between 'or' and 'and'.
>
>My interpretation:
>
>It is a fact that christophe did not develop SMP capable chess program
>Vincent believes that one of the following possibilities is the reason for it:
>
>1)Christophe does not have the interest.
>2)Christophe does not have the talent.
>
>Vincent did not express an opinion if 1 is correct or if 2 is correct but only
>expressed an opinion that one of them is correct.
>
>
>Uri
Ok, I won't continue debating this ad nauseaum, but remember that to doubt is
not a neutral belief. So saying I doubt you have either the interest or talent
means I do _not_ believe you have either the interest or talent. The 'or' merely
indicates that it may not necessarily be both, but it doesn't exclude this
possibility. I understand your interpretation, but cannot honestly say I agree
with it, that's all. Let's move on. :-)
Albert
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