Author: Paul Doire
Date: 07:33:22 01/24/01
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On January 23, 2001 at 15:44:09, Peter Berger wrote: >On January 23, 2001 at 13:24:34, Paul Doire wrote: > >>On January 23, 2001 at 11:51:44, Peter Berger wrote: >> >>>On January 23, 2001 at 07:53:53, Vladimir Sokolov wrote: >>> >>>>After reception of Millenium 2001 packet we tested immediately. >>>>There is a weakness in the tactics of Shredder 5.0 and my program find the >>>>weakness and use it. It is simple weakness but if anybody sees the weakness. >>>>In small tournament of 5 games, in 4 games without interruption Shredder was >>>>defeated with Auto232 between 2 computers of each AMD Athlon T-bird 1.2 mhz / >>>>1024 ram with Asus A7V ATX multi motherboard at 40 moves in 2 hours with each >>>>own book, hash 256 Mb and all tablebases 3-4-5 >>>>Maybe next year in international championship my private program also if the >>>>airplane is not expensive. >>>>The 5 games pgn files of small tournament are available at request to my E mail. >>>> >>>>Vladimir >>> >>>Wow , didn't you get some unfriendly answers ;-) ? >>> >>>Just to mention : nowhere in this post is anything said that claims this Russian >>>program is stronger than Shredder . >> >> >>BTW the title says it all. >>Paul > >I wonder why all those responses to Mr Sokolv's post do annoy me . > >The title says it all ? > >No , the title says "World champion defeated by russian program" which is >exactly what happened in this match . This doesn't necessarily mean that the >author claims his program is stronger than this "world champion" . > >Did you even bother to have a look at these games ? My guess is : no . > >Everybody communicates in English here as this is the most convenient way but I >am sometimes annoyed if people become picky with foreigners . > >I understand people with native language English , I also usually get their >undertone very well . I obviously have an easy time to understand people whose >native language is German , too . > >I have a hard time understanding hidden messages in posts from some South >Americans though , also their humour seems to work in a slightly different way . >This doesn't mean their English is any worse , but it does mean their thoughts >sometimes don't make it through the double language barrier : theirs _and_ mine >. > >Just imagine your program just beat Shredder in a very convincing way , or maybe >imagine : YOU just beat Kasparov 4 games in a row . > >I think if _I_ managed to do this I might post something like "German patzer >beats the best player of the world " , I might even do it _here_ although it >would be completely off-topic :-) > >I don't remember any posts from Mr Sokolov from the past so this seems to be the >"welcome" he got from the club members . > >Please understand that this is not an answer guided completely towards _your_ >answer but also some general thought regarding communication in a language which >is foreign to quite a few . > >Tolerance is important here and it might be a good guideline to expect people >don't intend anything bad at all if you see something a little irritating until >verified . > >pete Hi Peter, This is ironic,because I have posted a number of games and results from some of the top programs from time to time,and when I forgot some trivial detail about the match I was blasted off this page for not having the "proper" and "verified data". My Crafty vs CT13 match comes to mind. I posted the crafty.rc file in its various forms throughout the matches and was promptly reemed for this configuration or that.I apparently should have used worse grammar and forgotten a few words, then the need to scientifically prove my findings(pgn's or at least the name of the program!!)would have been unnecessary! I always thought regardless of the language involved that unsubstantiated claims should be kept to onesself, for lack of data. Otherwise I could come to a forum such as this one and lay claim to any preposterous event. The caliber of the people that post here requires proof of ones findings, not heresay. Regards, Paul
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