Author: Vincent Diepeveen
Date: 09:30:22 01/24/01
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On January 23, 2001 at 13:35:56, Gustavo Pereira wrote: >On January 22, 2001 at 15:41:38, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: > >>On January 22, 2001 at 02:43:26, Timothy J. Frohlick wrote: >> >>>Dear CCC, >>> >>>Now if Deep Fritz or Deep Junior or Chess Tiger will run on the 132 processor >>>AMD computer that would be awesome. Gee, I wonder how many watts it would take. >> >>Hi, this is not a shared memory computer, so it's very unlikely any >>of the above programs will run on it. At the moment no program will >>run at this 'supercomputer'. >> >>Note it doesn't mention the communication speed of this computer, >>which is weird. Nearly any supercomputer has directly with it >>information on what speed the network is. >> >>Note in case of chess tiger i doubt whether the programmer is interested >>or has the talent to make it multiprocessor capable. >> >>Greetings, >>Vincent >> >>>http://www.techweb.com/wire/story/TWB20010119S0018 >>> >>>Tim Frohlick > >I've grown tired of reading messages by Vincent where he deliberately attacks >another person without any sound basis. >You should cut it, Vincent! >Stop insulting other people! First about my results, log on to icc or fics and see diep play parallel there without crashing. Secondly in a forum with like 20 different nationalities, you can of course interpret any statement like you want yourself. But did you read actually what i wrote? Another question DO YOU HAVE A DUAL? From all dutch friends i have only 2 have a dual computer. Both are complete freaks and they never have bought any software neither of them. I understand many supercomputers are always sitting idle with most of their cpu's but despite a long search between september 1998 and januari 1999 i could not get any system time on any of them in netherlands except on a dual sun with 2 Gigs of RAM at my own university. Only Bob was so gentle to provide me with system time for many tournaments, for which i thank him a lot. Beutlerhvac i got for cct2 system time with in the weekend. Clusters seemingly sounded easy to get system time at, but now it appears it's nearly impossible to get system time on them also. Any system with > 4 processors we won't see a chessprogram get system time at. Parallellism is still in the stone age. The big amazement about the specs of the alpha ev8 design says enough how we live in the stone age in this respect. Not to mention prices. If i buy a single car from a dealer and express the price of the car in the price per seat in the car, then i will pay for example X dollar. If i buy a bus and express the price per seat in the bus, then a bus looks relatively cheap. If you do the same for supercomputers you will get very dissappointed. Where a dual is still cheap, a quad is already unaffordable for me, a 16 processor system i will not even be able to buy if i win the biggest lottery in Netherlands, as it's going to cost me $8.5M in case of a 16 processor 21264. That excludes probably the salaries of several people that are needed to keep it running, and is most likely excluding also the power consumption costs of it which probably are quite high too. I'm very happy that diep is parallel and i sure think parallellism is the future, but a bit of doubt towards commercial interest in parallellism is sure on its place. Till then you can interpret any posting as you want to do yourself, but please post the same subject and have the same reaction if people CLEARLY spit on me, whereas i gave 2 possible reasons why tiger isn't parallel yet, the first having a pretty good chance. Vincent
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