Author: Will Singleton
Date: 19:10:12 01/24/01
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On January 24, 2001 at 10:33:22, Paul Doire wrote: >On January 23, 2001 at 15:44:09, Peter Berger wrote: > >>On January 23, 2001 at 13:24:34, Paul Doire wrote: >> >>>On January 23, 2001 at 11:51:44, Peter Berger wrote: >>> >>>>On January 23, 2001 at 07:53:53, Vladimir Sokolov wrote: >>>> >>>>>After reception of Millenium 2001 packet we tested immediately. >>>>>There is a weakness in the tactics of Shredder 5.0 and my program find the >>>>>weakness and use it. It is simple weakness but if anybody sees the weakness. >>>>>In small tournament of 5 games, in 4 games without interruption Shredder was >>>>>defeated with Auto232 between 2 computers of each AMD Athlon T-bird 1.2 mhz / >>>>>1024 ram with Asus A7V ATX multi motherboard at 40 moves in 2 hours with each >>>>>own book, hash 256 Mb and all tablebases 3-4-5 >>>>>Maybe next year in international championship my private program also if the >>>>>airplane is not expensive. >>>>>The 5 games pgn files of small tournament are available at request to my E mail. >>>>> >>>>>Vladimir >>>> >>>>Wow , didn't you get some unfriendly answers ;-) ? >>>> >>>>Just to mention : nowhere in this post is anything said that claims this Russian >>>>program is stronger than Shredder . >>> >>> >>>BTW the title says it all. >>>Paul >> >>I wonder why all those responses to Mr Sokolv's post do annoy me . >> >>The title says it all ? >> >>No , the title says "World champion defeated by russian program" which is >>exactly what happened in this match . This doesn't necessarily mean that the >>author claims his program is stronger than this "world champion" . >> >>Did you even bother to have a look at these games ? My guess is : no . >> >>Everybody communicates in English here as this is the most convenient way but I >>am sometimes annoyed if people become picky with foreigners . >> >>I understand people with native language English , I also usually get their >>undertone very well . I obviously have an easy time to understand people whose >>native language is German , too . >> >>I have a hard time understanding hidden messages in posts from some South >>Americans though , also their humour seems to work in a slightly different way . >>This doesn't mean their English is any worse , but it does mean their thoughts >>sometimes don't make it through the double language barrier : theirs _and_ mine >>. >> >>Just imagine your program just beat Shredder in a very convincing way , or maybe >>imagine : YOU just beat Kasparov 4 games in a row . >> >>I think if _I_ managed to do this I might post something like "German patzer >>beats the best player of the world " , I might even do it _here_ although it >>would be completely off-topic :-) >> >>I don't remember any posts from Mr Sokolov from the past so this seems to be the >>"welcome" he got from the club members . >> >>Please understand that this is not an answer guided completely towards _your_ >>answer but also some general thought regarding communication in a language which >>is foreign to quite a few . >> >>Tolerance is important here and it might be a good guideline to expect people >>don't intend anything bad at all if you see something a little irritating until >>verified . >> >>pete > >Hi Peter, >This is ironic,because I have posted a number of games and results from some of >the top programs from time to time,and when I forgot some trivial detail about >the match I was blasted off this page for not having the "proper" and >"verified data". My Crafty vs CT13 match comes to mind. I posted the crafty.rc >file in its various forms throughout the matches and was promptly reemed for >this configuration or that.I apparently should have used worse grammar and >forgotten a few words, then the need to scientifically prove my findings(pgn's >or at least the name of the program!!)would have been unnecessary! >I always thought regardless of the language involved that unsubstantiated claims >should be kept to onesself, for lack of data. >Otherwise I could come to a forum such as this one and lay claim to any >preposterous event. The caliber of the people that post here requires proof of >ones findings, not heresay. > >Regards, >Paul btw, I requested the PGN from the original poster, since he indicated he would provide it to anyone that asked. No response.
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