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Subject: Re: test position

Author: Dann Corbit

Date: 02:32:24 01/26/01

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On January 26, 2001 at 04:30:42, Dusan Dobes wrote:

>On January 25, 2001 at 17:01:41, David Rasmussen wrote:
>
>>[D]1k1r1bnr/ppp1qbpp/3p2n1/3Pp3/N3Pp2/1QN2P2/PPP1BBPP/R2R2K1 w - - 0 1
>>
>>I made this up a couple of minutes ago, at random. I was quite sure that there
>>would something tactical in it for white. It turned out there was, starting with
>>Nb5. But my program took 57 seconds to fail high the first time at depth 11,
>>only to get a score of 0.85 at research. I wouldn't say that Chezzz understood
>>what happened until depth 12, where it fails high with +1.18 and gets +2.06 at
>>research. This took 570 seconds...
>>
>>I'm sure a lot of programs will see this within the first second or so...
>
>Phalanx XXII on an Athlon 900 changes its mind very often:
>
>1k1r1bnr/ppp1qbpp/3p2n1/3Pp3/N3Pp2/1QN2P2/PPP1BBPP/R2R2K1 w - - 0 1
>  6    232    56    80468  Nc3-b5  Pa7-a6  Nb5-c3  Kb8-c8  Qb3-b4  Ng8-f6
>  6    237    67    97072  Qb3-b4  !
>  6    274    84   123581  Qb3-b4
>  6 ->   0:01.05   157164   1 turn
>  7    281   141   209011  Qb3-b4  Ng8-f6  Be2-a6  Pb7-b6  Nc3-b5  Qe7-d7
>                           Ra1-b1
>  7 ->   0:02.49   388887   0 turns
>  8    268   380   587013  Qb3-b4  Ng8-f6  Be2-a6  Pb7-b6  Ra1-c1  Qe7-d7
>  8    271   543   822362  Nc3-b5  Pa7-a6  Nb5xc7  Kb8xc7  Bf2-b6  Kc7-c8
>                           Bb6xd8  Qe7xd8  Na4-b6  Kc8-b8  Ra1-c1
>  8 ->   0:08.02  1287747   1 turn
>  9    286  1494  2407429  Nc3-b5  Pc7-c5  Pd5xc6  Pb7xc6  Bf2xa7  Qe7xa7
>                           Nb5xa7  Bf7xb3  Na7xc6  Kb8-c7  Nc6xd8  Bb3xa4
>  9    287  1956  3109290  Qb3-b4  Ng8-f6  Be2-a6  Pb7-b6  Qb4-c4  Pc7-c5
>  9 ->   0:25.79  4222814   1 turn
> 10    292  6687 10655249  Qb3-b4  Pb7-b6  Nc3-b5
> 10 ->   1:23.20 13359994   0 turns
> 11    322 15957 25142993  Qb3-b4  Bf7-e8  Qb4-a5
> 11 ->   3:45.56 36424241   0 turns
> 12    320 40132 63072776  Qb3-b4  Pb7-b6  Nc3-b5  Pa7-a5  Qb4-c4  Ng8-f6
> 12    321 52299 81740930  Nc3-b5  Pc7-c5  Pd5xc6  Pb7xc6  Bf2xa7  Qe7xa7
>                           Nb5xa7  Bf7xb3  Na7xc6  Kb8-c7  Nc6xd8  Bb3xa4
>                           Nd8-f7  Ba4xc2
> 12    326 61503 95833738  Qb3-b5  !
> 12    334 71450 111866592  Qb3-b5  Bf7-e8  Qb5-a5
> 12 ->  14:12.98 135185425   2 turns
> 13    326 104646 167016230  Qb3-b5  Bf7-e8  Qb5-a5  Pb7-b6  Qa5-a6  Rd8-c8
>                           Be2-b5  Be8xb5  Nc3xb5  Pc7-c5  Ra1-c1  Qe7-b7
>                           Qa6xb7  Kb8xb7
> 13    331 121998 193651775  Nc3-b5  !
> 13    367 150596 239231519  Nc3-b5  Pc7-c5  Pd5xc6  Pb7xc6  Bf2xa7  Qe7xa7
>                           Nb5xa7  Bf7xb3  Na7xc6  Kb8-c7  Nc6xd8  Bb3xa4
>                           Nd8-f7  Bf8-e7  Rd1-d2  Ba4-c6
> 13 ->  40:51.82 395643256   1 turn
> 14    367 325592 520982959  Nc3-b5  Pc7-c5  Pd5xc6  Pb7xc6  Bf2xa7  Qe7xa7
>                           Nb5xa7  Bf7xb3  Na7xc6  Kb8-c7  Nc6xd8  Bb3xa4
>                           Nd8-f7  Bf8-e7  Rd1-d2  Ba4-c6  Nf7xh8  Ng6xh8
> 14    372 430619 680411736  Qb3-b4  !
> 14    378 527583 828671791  Qb3-b4  Pb7-b6  Nc3-b5  Pa7-a5  Qb4-b3  Rd8-c8
>                           Nb5xc7  Rc8xc7  Bf2xb6  Rc7-b7  Be2-a6  Bf7-e8
>                           Ba6xb7  Qe7xb7  Bb6xa5  Qb7xb3  Pc2xb3  Bf8-e7
> 14 -> 127:57.36 1216788007   1 turn

Considering the high scores for many alternatives at high depths, it seems very
doubtful that there is a single winning move.




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