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Subject: Re: Twin miniatures [by Werner Speckmann,1955] Mate in 17 and Mate in 13

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 20:15:59 01/26/01

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On January 26, 2001 at 16:08:19, leonid wrote:

>On January 26, 2001 at 09:06:27, Uri Blass wrote:
>>On January 26, 2001 at 07:08:14, leonid wrote:
>>>On January 26, 2001 at 06:55:42, José Antônio Fabiano Mendes wrote:
>>>>   Hi Leonid!,I like miniatures better,so here are two of them[twins]:
>>>>        Werner Speckmann,1955  Mate in 17
>>>>        [D]8/p7/8/2p5/p3Q3/K7/2r5/1k6 w
>>>>        Werner Speckmann,1955  Mate in 13
>>>>        [D]8/8/4p3/2p5/p3Q3/K7/2r5/1k6 w
>>>Thanks! And what is was, some creation of problems or some positions that
>>>resulted from real chess championship?
>>If you are interested in positions from human-human games there is no problem to
>>find them.
>>Here is one of them from my game when my opponent forgot to resign
>>[D]6k1/3R4/3B4/5KP1/P1P5/1P2r3/8/8 w - - 0 1
>>I played Rd8+ and only after Kf7(kh7 is slower in losing) g6+ my opponent
>>Crafty evaluates Rd8+ as mate in 8.
>>I could see the mate in 4 only when I played g6+
>Good positions, but have you seen all those 8 moves for mate on the spot? Or was
>you able to finding it after thinking 1 minute?


I could not see the mate in 8 and only programs could see it.
I could see mate only after my opponent blundered with Kf7.


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