Author: José Carlos
Date: 11:25:46 01/31/01
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On January 31, 2001 at 13:50:50, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >On January 31, 2001 at 10:02:25, Uri Blass wrote: > >>On January 31, 2001 at 08:35:34, Sandro Necchi wrote: >> >>>On January 31, 2001 at 01:00:18, Jouni Uski wrote: >>> >>>>http://www.computerschach.de/tourn/cad2001/cad2001.htm >>>> >>>>In Gadeques tournament Deep Fritz - Shredder 5 ended 10-10. But 14 games were >>>>won by white! And I thought, that whites advantage is minimal in computer chess. >>>>Have programs killer books or what? >>> >>>As far as Shredder 5.0 is concerned there are no killer variations. The book is >>>made mainly for the human players and with a lot of alternatives to make it play >>>different lines. There are very few very long variations. Of course there are >>>good move against weak ones, but not deep variations. >>>So, it is a sort of compromise to make the program fun to play with. >>>Since we drew 6 games and lost 7, there is still a a lot of room for >>>improvements... >> >>I remember the claim that Shredder is 100 elo better than Fritz6a when one of >>the reason is better opening book that is optimized for long time control games. >> >>What happened to this claim(remember that the time control of Enrique is >>similiar to the ssdf games when you consider the fact that Enrique's hardwrae is >>faster)? >> >>I think that you should tell the customers some monthes ago that you did a >>compromise in order to make the program fun to play with. >> >>I believe that a lot of customers do not use chess programs to play against them >>so making the program fun to play with is simply irrelevant for them because >>they prefer an opening book that help the program to win more games. >> >>Uri > >Those customers can play at home against computers but i am 100% sure >that no customer will play against a SUPER GM at 40 in 2 level. > >So i think your question to Necchi is very valid. > >Who cares for a book against humans? > >The customers only play against other progs anyway and they only kick >on results against other engines. I don't follow you both. I don't own Shredder 5, but I suppose more than 1 book is provided, something like 'tournament book' (optimized for performance) and something like 'random book' (optimized for having fun playing it). Am I wrong? José C.
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