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Subject: Re: Have You seen this: quite unbelievable!

Author: José Carlos

Date: 11:25:46 01/31/01

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On January 31, 2001 at 13:50:50, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:

>On January 31, 2001 at 10:02:25, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On January 31, 2001 at 08:35:34, Sandro Necchi wrote:
>>
>>>On January 31, 2001 at 01:00:18, Jouni Uski wrote:
>>>
>>>>http://www.computerschach.de/tourn/cad2001/cad2001.htm
>>>>
>>>>In Gadeques tournament Deep Fritz - Shredder 5 ended 10-10. But 14 games were
>>>>won by white! And I thought, that whites advantage is minimal in computer chess.
>>>>Have programs killer books or what?
>>>
>>>As far as Shredder 5.0 is concerned there are no killer variations. The book is
>>>made mainly for the human players and with a lot of alternatives to make it play
>>>different lines. There are very few very long variations. Of course there are
>>>good move against weak ones, but not deep variations.
>>>So, it is a sort of compromise to make the program fun to play with.
>>>Since we drew 6 games and lost 7, there is still a a lot of room for
>>>improvements...
>>
>>I remember the claim that Shredder is 100 elo better than Fritz6a when one of
>>the reason is better opening book that is optimized for long time control games.
>>
>>What happened to this claim(remember that the time control of Enrique is
>>similiar to the ssdf games when you consider the fact that Enrique's hardwrae is
>>faster)?
>>
>>I think that you should tell the customers some monthes ago that you did a
>>compromise in order to make the program fun to play with.
>>
>>I believe that a lot of customers do not use chess programs to play against them
>>so making the program fun to play with is simply irrelevant for them because
>>they prefer an opening book that help the program to win more games.
>>
>>Uri
>
>Those customers can play at home against computers but i am 100% sure
>that no customer will play against a SUPER GM at 40 in 2 level.
>
>So i think your question to Necchi is very valid.
>
>Who cares for a book against humans?
>
>The customers only play against other progs anyway and they only kick
>on results against other engines.

  I don't follow you both. I don't own Shredder 5, but I suppose more than 1
book is provided, something like 'tournament book' (optimized for performance)
and something like 'random book' (optimized for having fun playing it).
  Am I wrong?

  José C.



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