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Subject: Re: Mate in 46

Author: Paul

Date: 13:08:26 01/31/01

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On January 31, 2001 at 10:25:50, Heiner Marxen wrote:

>On January 30, 2001 at 17:15:45, Olaf Jenkner wrote:
>
>>Perhaps I had in mind this problem what is easily to prove that there is
>>no shorter mate.
>>
>>Pervakow/Sum.  #46
>>[D]2N5/p4P2/p4RqP/P2krb2/5RNK/2PPBnP1/3P1pP1/5Q2 w - - 1 0
>
>Yes, that can be.  Much to my own surprise Chest really proves this
>as a mate in 46 moves, and needs just 8.2 seconds (K7/600) for it.

Hey, congrats!! How does that feel? ... great doesn't it :)

>It gives the following PV:
>
> 1. gxf3  Qh5+
> 2. Kxh5  Bg6+
> 3. Kxg6  Rg5+
> 4. Kh7   Rg7+
> 5. Kh8   Rh7+
> 6. Kg8   Rh8+
> 7. Kg7   Rh7+
> 8. Kf8   Rh8+
> 9. Ke7   Re8+
>10. Kd7   Rd8+
>11. Kc7   Rd7+
>12. Kb8   Rb7+
>13. Ka8   Rb8+
>14. Kxa7  Rb7+
>15. Kxa6  Ra7+
>16. Kb5   Rxa5+
>17. Kb4   Rb5+
>18. Ka3   Rb3+
>19. Ka2   Rb2+
>20. Ka1   Ra2+
>21. Kb1   Rb2+
>22. Kc1   Rb1+
>23. Kc2   Rb2+
>24. Kd1   Rb1+
>25. Ke2   Re1+
>26. Kxf2  Re2+
>27. Kg1   Rg2+
>28. Kh1   Rg1+
>29. Kh2   Rh1+
>30. Kg2   Rg1+
>31. Kh3   Rxg3+
>32. Kh4   Rh3+
>33. Kg5   Rh5+
>34. Kg6   Rg5+
>35. Kh7   Rg7+
>36. Kh8   Rh7+
>37. Kg8   Rh8+
>38. Kg7   Rh7+
>39. Kg6   Rg7+
>40. Kh5   Rg5+
>41. Kh4   Rh5+
>42. Kg3   Rh3+
>43. Kf2   Rxf3+
>44. Ke2   Rf2+
>45. Nxf2  Ke5
>46. R4f5#

Very funny line!

>I even had to increase the maximal allowed depth in Chest (formerly 30).
>Quite an exceptional position!

I also increased my maxdepth to 256 plies before trying the Mate in 120 one :)
But alas ... it didn't work. You can solve this one probably because it's a
short mate everytime the Rook stops checking?

>Can the playing programs solve this, also?  I suspect so.

I don't think so ... mine doesn't, anyway. Not that that says anything :)

Maybe a singular extension program like Ferret could succeed; I think full ply
se's might just do it. Would give it a try myself, but don't have them (yet)!

Also maybe the position after the 3rd White or Black move, when the Crazy Rook
starts checking is doable within a week or so ... I see the first 23 ply of the
pv on my screen and that looks promising ;)

Groetjes,
Paul



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