Author: Dirk Frickenschmidt
Date: 12:41:14 02/26/98
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On February 25, 1998 at 17:14:34, Thorsten Czub wrote: Hi Thorsten, I think Enrique is right when saying: >> it is in my opinion a much better idea to congratulate Frans >>Morsch and the Chessbase team. You answered: >WHY ? This program is out on the market for many months and NOBODY >(despite Moritz or KK who often exaggerates with BEST soandso) thought >that it is strong. Wrong. I told you I regarded Fritz5 as a Top5 program soon after it was released and then again not too long ago. And just like you I could easily see from Moritz' games that with big hashtables it might even be considerably stronger than I had estimated it. Your reaction to my "top5" guess was smiling and something like "top five of what - as if I were confused about the programs on top of the list. And your reaction to Moritz was very near to complete unbelief of the kind: what must not happen cannot have happened by definition. Now you simply should admit that *this* time you were *very* wrong concerning the playing strength of a program - just for emotional reasons and prejudice, nothing else. I will gladly tell anyone that in general over all the years I know you you nearly alwasy had a very fine nose for programs' playing strength and playing style and I often learned from you. It won't hurt you to admit your wrong view this one time :-))) >We all have it at home and nobody thought that FRITZ >would win Paris or nobody of us was afraid of fritz. Wrong again: before Paris I told Matthias Wuellenweber that I was not worrying about Fritz, and that it shurely could be one of the first three or four at the end of the match. >JUNIOR was the suprise and NIMZO was the surprise in the netherlands and >in paderborn and in austria. But NOT fritz. See above: you knew from Moritz what happens with Fritz5 and big hash soon as you play enough games. And with power book and it's strong learning effect the rest is easily told. So don't tell me we are staring at some kind of enigma. >Suddenly you have to congratulate them as if their program is something >NEW and something extremely strong ?? It isn't ! Or IMO it isn't. It simply is and *was* before you would admit it. The only surprise was that it was rated even better than Hiarcs6, Rebel9 and Nimzo 98 under these conditions. It was thought to be close to these by more than one computer chess tester. >Why should I congratulate Bob for pres. Kennedy?? CLINTON is the latest >one. Kennedy is long time ago and I know people do like him and people >do not like him. But fritz5 is as old as kennedy! > You mean Fritz5 was developed in the 50s??? :-) Seriously: it's not our problem that you never wanted to admit *any* significant playing strength to the program. You even went as far as saying that there was no much difference to Fritz4 - Fritz5 just doing some things better and others not as good. Moritz and I also were not shure *how* good Fritz5 was until Moritz played some significant games which you know well not just since yesterday. So what? In contrast to Enrique I know you well enough to be shure that your disliking of Fritz5 is definitely not meant as campaign. But it's perhaps time for you to accept some fairer rating of the program. You don't have to like it's playing style. Just should admit that it is strong. And, by the way, a faster and better finder in many positions than most other programs. And No.1 of the SSDF list now. I too like programs like Hiarcs6, Rebel9 or Junior more than Fritz5 for the kind of play they show. But I have a lot of respect for what Frans Morsch and the chessbase team chieved with Fritz5. So my recommendation (ich darf das, weil ich ja Dein Opa sein koennte ;-)): live with it and enjoy the "more positional" playing programs soon strike back in one way or the other. :-) That's the fun about computer chess. Kind regards from Dirk
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