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Subject: Re: New SSDF-List - especially for Thorsten

Author: Detlef Pordzik

Date: 14:06:51 02/27/98

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On February 27, 1998 at 14:58:29, Thorsten Czub wrote:

>On February 26, 1998 at 19:29:50, Detlef Pordzik wrote:
>
>>On February 24, 1998 at 20:31:44, Karsten Bauermeister wrote:
>>
>>>Everytime the same thing...! When a program comes out and plays not the
>>>style Thorsten (Czub) likes, he asumed it in a very awful and unfair
>>>style.
>
>I don't think this is true. I have fritz for a long time and have played
>many games. I have communicated with Matthias Wuellenweber and Moritz
>Berger. We have exchanged data. You think in clichees, Karsten.
>You don't see that we do not only TALK about this and that, we have DATA
>and exchange the data !
>What you do is gossip. Not computerchess !
>
>
>>>Of course there were people, they had results like in Sweden. Of course
>>>there were people, they told you, that Fritz 4 is stronger than the
>>>rating in Sweden.
>
>I was in correspondance to those people. And we "talked" about Fritz5
>and exchanged data.
>
>>There were very interesting and thrustfuly opinions,
>>>which supposed, there were faults in playing thr first games of Fritz 4.
>>>The fact, that later the results were much better, than the first ones
>>>is a strong "Advice" to that.
>>>
>>>But the fact is, Thorsten always "do not believe" anyone, who has a
>>>different oppinion from yours.
>
>Kindergarden ! I have nothing against people having different opinions.
>If they have evidence and data and can convince me. Of course with those
>kindergarden-talks you do - you will never convince me.
>
>
>>>I never played tournament games with Fritz 5, because I have only one
>>>fast computer,
>
>So you have never played tournament games with Fritz5 yourself !!
>Aha !
>Brilliant !
>Why don't you ask the people having bought fritz5 and having played
>games with it ???
>
>
>> but the games aginst my own person and other that I have
>>>seen, were always strong played -
>
>Thats unbelievable. Where were you in Paris. Where have you been in Den
>Haag ? You operated against Karpov yourself and you didn't see the
>stupid games ???
>Don't you remember the brilliant combination Fritz played against Karpov
>?
>
>
>>what Thorsten don't like is the style
>>>of playing. Perhaps some day the machines will show us, how to play
>>>chess. Perhaps the nice looking style of grandmaster chess is really bad
>>>compared to the (nearly) perfect style.
>
>Perhaps. Perhaps not.
>Maybe Computers will never play chess strong enough to convince anybody.
>
>>>What everyone should know about Thorstens way of testing, is to break up
>>>games, he doesn't like or he _*thinks*_ they are decided.
>
>What is this ? Pah ! You don't even replay games !
>How shall I call a guy who is to lazy to replay a game of chess ?
>
>
>
>>>What he doesn't like is not Fritz, but there are two "fast and dump"
>>>searchers leading the swedish list and Fritz is the kommercial product
>>>of ChessBase, the firm with the "high-price-politic".
>
>I have nothing against fast-searchers. If they play nice chess. Fritz
>doesn't.

All this, answered towards me as a reply to my letter was exeptionally
written by Mr. B.
One should notice this.

ELVIS



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